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the smoke radio for the masses headline

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additional july 8th 1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disk has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide

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would vanish

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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outside this

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is fade to world

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it's your host jimmy church on the game

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i need your help to get to the year

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1985.

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you're listening to fade to flag with

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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this spoke radio

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uh yeah how you doing today it's monday

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may 30th

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happy memorial day everyone i would like

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to welcome everybody listening from all

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around the world all across the united

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states

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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and south far and near

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for kjcr the game changer and unex

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networks race hobbes

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i'm your host jimmy church what is

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cracking everybody happy memorial day

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that's right i'm here with you

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on memorial day

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that's right it's going to be a great

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we're going to be discussing the capitol

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hill ufo hearing a full analysis from

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and that's a guarantee with ross very

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excited about this show tonight tomorrow

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night billy carson is with us

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and then wednesday night uh all three

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wednesday night john burroughs is with

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people that want to go to uh egypt in

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october with billy and i and if their

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angeles downtown l.a at the los angeles

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and and and the life that disclosurefest

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incredible event so come and hang out

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with us that is saturday june 18th the

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links for everything are in the

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description box below we have them over

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at the website and throughout social

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media you can follow me on twitter at

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jchurchradio that's right follow me on

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twitter for all that conspiracy ufo

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stuff yeah follow me on twitter if you

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want to check out my world of guitars

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follow me on instagram

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on instagram head over there and and

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i'm still figuring instagram out say hey

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i have no idea how it runs how it works

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my way and you can go and check it out

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causing trouble

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and uh come and hang out with us over

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and uh hello to everybody listening and

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watching all around the world lots of

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let's get to the breaking news i need

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like a breaking news button i need one

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of those you know like the typewriter in

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and have that or is that too

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is that too radio-ish is that taking

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because there might be a meteor shower

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emerging from hercules tonight

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right after the show

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facing the skies astronomers are keeping

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you know it all right now a team of

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foothills of the andes very exciting

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more news to follow on this now earlier

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said were recently unearthed at saqqara

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near cairo the artifacts were showcased

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supreme council of antiquities the fine

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includes 250 painted sarcophagi with

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well-preserved mummies inside each

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well it went down over the weekend in

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power tools were used to forcefully cut

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gold tabernacle the new york city police

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department said everything today in

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their announcement the theft occurred

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at the saint augustine roman catholic

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church

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in the park slope area sometime between

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6 30 p.m thursday

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and 4 p.m saturday all of this according

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to

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the new york police department

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incredible

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check this out

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the mona lisa

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was the subject of attempted vandalism

300
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yesterday

301
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when a visitor to the world famous

302
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louvre museum in paris

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smeared frosting all over the

304
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renaissance area paintings protective

305
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glass now how would you pull that off

306
00:14:36,230 --> 00:14:32,959
well the man

307
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who appeared to wear a wig in videos of

308
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the incident shared on social media

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which i have watched

310
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approach the painting in a wheelchair

311
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that's right wheelchair access

312
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before throwing a piece of cake at the

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artwork according to the statement from

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the lube

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videos of the aftermath show him on foot

316
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yeah he was walking

317
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with the wheelchair nearby the man 36

318
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years old

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was arrested and taken to a psychiatric

320
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infirmary in the police headquarters

321
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according to the paris prosecutor's

322
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office he's a young dude too

323
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he's a young guy didn't look you know it

324
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was kind of strange he had a baseball

325
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hat on you could see the wig

326
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and he said he's yelling i did this for

327
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the world

328
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people get interviewed about the

329
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incident they said man he just rolled up

330
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he had a and he just had a piece of cake

331
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and just smashed it onto the glass

332
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freaking everybody out um it was you

333
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know it's bulletproof protective glass

334
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uh there is no such thing as a happy

335
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memorial day

336
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yeah skyhawk i hear you

337
00:15:55,189 --> 00:15:50,160
i hear ya let's get this show cracking

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on this day in history 1971

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the united states unmanned space probe

340
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mariner 9 is launched on a mission to

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gather scientific information on mars

342
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that's right

343
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orbited mars for a couple of years

344
00:16:12,710 --> 00:16:10,720
yeah infrared

345
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taking pictures when it first got there

346
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was a dust storm so

347
00:16:20,829 --> 00:16:16,480
they didn't see much

348
00:16:23,749 --> 00:16:20,839
but uh the pictures were amazing

349
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1970 fader fact

350
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all right have you guys

351
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did anybody go out memorial weekend here

352
00:16:35,590 --> 00:16:33,040
and and and check out top gun maverick

353
00:16:37,590 --> 00:16:35,600
the the reviews have

354
00:16:40,629 --> 00:16:37,600
i i mean it's like this film has gotten

355
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10 out of 10. there's like nobody has

356
00:16:45,269 --> 00:16:42,800
not liked the film

357
00:16:47,350 --> 00:16:45,279
it's it's supposed to be absolutely

358
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tremendous and many are saying i mean

359
00:16:53,030 --> 00:16:50,079
when i say many like everybody like it's

360
00:16:55,269 --> 00:16:53,040
better than the original top gun

361
00:16:58,310 --> 00:16:55,279
i can't imagine that

362
00:17:01,829 --> 00:16:58,320
and i i tried to i tried to find a way

363
00:17:02,629 --> 00:17:01,839
to stream it i was gonna do it illegally

364
00:17:07,669 --> 00:17:02,639
yeah

365
00:17:09,510 --> 00:17:07,679
so i haven't seen it yet

366
00:17:12,069 --> 00:17:09,520
um but

367
00:17:14,549 --> 00:17:12,079
i did get a fader fact

368
00:17:16,309 --> 00:17:14,559
about top gun maverick so here's your

369
00:17:19,270 --> 00:17:16,319
fader fact today

370
00:17:21,029 --> 00:17:19,280
you ready unbelievable it's unbelievable

371
00:17:23,189 --> 00:17:21,039
here we go

372
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the united states navy

373
00:17:28,870 --> 00:17:27,120
rented fa18 super hornets for the movie

374
00:17:31,750 --> 00:17:28,880
top gun maverick

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and the studio had to pay eleven

376
00:17:37,830 --> 00:17:34,080
thousand three hundred and seventy four

377
00:17:40,310 --> 00:17:37,840
dollars per hour per plane

378
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to have the advanced fighter jets for

379
00:17:44,630 --> 00:17:41,679
filming

380
00:17:46,390 --> 00:17:44,640
but the rental contract stated

381
00:17:50,870 --> 00:17:46,400
that tom cruise

382
00:17:52,630 --> 00:17:50,880
was not allowed to touch the controls

383
00:17:55,270 --> 00:17:52,640
and that's your favorite fact that's a

384
00:17:59,430 --> 00:17:57,990
that's a fader fact race hobbes

385
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my man

386
00:18:05,510 --> 00:18:02,000
grace hobbs i love you brother

387
00:18:07,350 --> 00:18:05,520
i love your race that's gonna get a like

388
00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:07,360
that's gonna get a like every time i

389
00:18:11,909 --> 00:18:08,970
look like a special agent

390
00:18:14,549 --> 00:18:11,919
[Laughter]

391
00:18:16,710 --> 00:18:14,559
i look like top gun maverick right there

392
00:18:17,990 --> 00:18:16,720
uh iceman

393
00:18:20,710 --> 00:18:18,000
all right

394
00:18:23,350 --> 00:18:20,720
tonight very special guest ross culfart

395
00:18:25,990 --> 00:18:23,360
joins us live from australia to discuss

396
00:18:28,150 --> 00:18:26,000
the capitol hill ufo hearing i'm going

397
00:18:29,190 --> 00:18:28,160
to get a full analysis out of ross

398
00:18:31,270 --> 00:18:29,200
tonight

399
00:18:34,070 --> 00:18:31,280
um he's one of the best

400
00:18:36,390 --> 00:18:34,080
uh there's that part uh and i'm gonna go

401
00:18:37,590 --> 00:18:36,400
do a little pre and

402
00:18:41,350 --> 00:18:37,600
post

403
00:18:43,190 --> 00:18:41,360
analysis on on the hearings and what we

404
00:18:44,950 --> 00:18:43,200
can expect in the future as well and of

405
00:18:46,390 --> 00:18:44,960
course the reaction from around the

406
00:18:48,310 --> 00:18:46,400
world and media

407
00:18:49,750 --> 00:18:48,320
he's one of the most important

408
00:18:51,029 --> 00:18:49,760
journalists

409
00:18:53,990 --> 00:18:51,039
reporters

410
00:18:57,110 --> 00:18:54,000
hosts and authors

411
00:18:59,590 --> 00:18:57,120
in our community right now and he's one

412
00:19:01,270 --> 00:18:59,600
of the biggest voices in australia when

413
00:19:04,549 --> 00:19:01,280
it comes to journalism

414
00:19:05,830 --> 00:19:04,559
and tonight i can i can already tell you

415
00:19:08,310 --> 00:19:05,840
that it's going to be an amazing

416
00:19:10,390 --> 00:19:08,320
conversation uh coming up in just a bit

417
00:19:11,909 --> 00:19:10,400
with ross tomorrow night

418
00:19:15,190 --> 00:19:11,919
billy carson is here we're going to be

419
00:19:17,750 --> 00:19:15,200
talking about the black knight satellite

420
00:19:20,549 --> 00:19:17,760
wednesday night john burroughs is with

421
00:19:23,190 --> 00:19:20,559
us another great show what an amazing

422
00:19:24,630 --> 00:19:23,200
week here on fade to black and then

423
00:19:26,789 --> 00:19:24,640
thursday is another fader night with

424
00:19:28,070 --> 00:19:26,799
open lines all night long and then

425
00:19:31,430 --> 00:19:28,080
i head out

426
00:19:34,230 --> 00:19:31,440
to detroit hang out with billy carson

427
00:19:35,909 --> 00:19:34,240
all right so man i have not rested i

428
00:19:39,190 --> 00:19:35,919
have not stopped

429
00:19:44,710 --> 00:19:39,200
and uh uh talking about let me let me

430
00:19:48,390 --> 00:19:46,390
cake for all

431
00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:48,400
man did you hear that i gulped

432
00:19:53,909 --> 00:19:51,200
i didn't sip i didn't go i just gulped

433
00:19:53,919 --> 00:19:56,710
um

434
00:20:02,110 --> 00:19:59,270
oh man

435
00:20:05,270 --> 00:20:02,120
rivermoonwellness.com

436
00:20:08,149 --> 00:20:05,280
[Laughter]

437
00:20:10,230 --> 00:20:08,159
fade to black blend

438
00:20:11,270 --> 00:20:10,240
it's memorial weekend

439
00:20:15,430 --> 00:20:11,280
and

440
00:20:17,909 --> 00:20:15,440
uh i want to first um thank all of you

441
00:20:19,750 --> 00:20:17,919
uh it is memorial day across the united

442
00:20:22,149 --> 00:20:19,760
states and for those that

443
00:20:24,390 --> 00:20:22,159
are listening from all around the world

444
00:20:26,230 --> 00:20:24,400
um here in the united states this is our

445
00:20:27,110 --> 00:20:26,240
memorial day

446
00:20:28,149 --> 00:20:27,120
and

447
00:20:29,669 --> 00:20:28,159
where

448
00:20:33,350 --> 00:20:29,679
this is a day

449
00:20:34,470 --> 00:20:33,360
where we stop and remember those that uh

450
00:20:36,789 --> 00:20:34,480
men and women

451
00:20:38,710 --> 00:20:36,799
um in service to our country and every

452
00:20:41,029 --> 00:20:38,720
branch in the military has done the

453
00:20:43,350 --> 00:20:41,039
ultimate sacrifice

454
00:20:46,390 --> 00:20:43,360
and and that's what this day is for

455
00:20:48,470 --> 00:20:46,400
um so we get our families together we

456
00:20:50,630 --> 00:20:48,480
eat we drink

457
00:20:53,430 --> 00:20:50,640
and we're thankful you know and that's

458
00:20:56,470 --> 00:20:53,440
that's what memorial day is all about

459
00:20:58,390 --> 00:20:56,480
and and i'm reminded of

460
00:21:00,070 --> 00:20:58,400
the reason why i'm bringing all of that

461
00:21:01,750 --> 00:21:00,080
up and i do want to thank you for taking

462
00:21:03,510 --> 00:21:01,760
the time today

463
00:21:05,830 --> 00:21:03,520
this is your day off

464
00:21:07,750 --> 00:21:05,840
and maybe you've already celebrated and

465
00:21:09,750 --> 00:21:07,760
you've eaten depending on where you are

466
00:21:11,750 --> 00:21:09,760
and now you're in and you're here

467
00:21:13,270 --> 00:21:11,760
uh listening to the show

468
00:21:15,029 --> 00:21:13,280
um

469
00:21:16,470 --> 00:21:15,039
but

470
00:21:17,909 --> 00:21:16,480
you're here

471
00:21:20,470 --> 00:21:17,919
on this special day and that's why i

472
00:21:21,750 --> 00:21:20,480
didn't want to take uh today off

473
00:21:25,750 --> 00:21:21,760
and

474
00:21:26,789 --> 00:21:25,760
the reason why i'm bringing all of this

475
00:21:29,190 --> 00:21:26,799
up

476
00:21:32,549 --> 00:21:29,200
is that when i

477
00:21:33,909 --> 00:21:32,559
look back and i think about the memorial

478
00:21:36,070 --> 00:21:33,919
days

479
00:21:37,830 --> 00:21:36,080
of of years past

480
00:21:39,990 --> 00:21:37,840
and it seems like for some reason i can

481
00:21:41,669 --> 00:21:40,000
remember most of them i don't remember

482
00:21:43,830 --> 00:21:41,679
every christmas

483
00:21:45,190 --> 00:21:43,840
or christmases that i just don't

484
00:21:48,149 --> 00:21:45,200
remember

485
00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:48,159
um or every birthday

486
00:21:53,270 --> 00:21:50,880
but i it seems like i can remember

487
00:21:56,830 --> 00:21:53,280
most memorial days

488
00:22:00,630 --> 00:21:56,840
and and that's because

489
00:22:04,549 --> 00:22:00,640
usually and in my case every time

490
00:22:06,789 --> 00:22:04,559
it's everybody coming together

491
00:22:08,070 --> 00:22:06,799
to everybody coming together

492
00:22:10,630 --> 00:22:08,080
um

493
00:22:12,789 --> 00:22:10,640
and specifically uh for me my father was

494
00:22:15,190 --> 00:22:12,799
in the army band he was he was band

495
00:22:18,310 --> 00:22:15,200
leader in the army band

496
00:22:20,710 --> 00:22:18,320
and so every memorial day the army band

497
00:22:23,590 --> 00:22:20,720
is playing somewhere

498
00:22:26,470 --> 00:22:23,600
and so we will go out as a family and

499
00:22:29,830 --> 00:22:26,480
and and and celebrate

500
00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:29,840
and and things that at a park

501
00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:31,760
uh maybe it's on base maybe it's off

502
00:22:34,710 --> 00:22:32,880
base

503
00:22:36,470 --> 00:22:34,720
uh and and we would do that so i would

504
00:22:38,549 --> 00:22:36,480
always remember there were

505
00:22:40,549 --> 00:22:38,559
uh memorial days with the indianapolis

506
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:40,559
500 which takes place every year the

507
00:22:46,630 --> 00:22:43,600
indianapolis 500 on memorial day weekend

508
00:22:48,390 --> 00:22:46,640
and my father with the army band based

509
00:22:50,630 --> 00:22:48,400
out of indianapolis

510
00:22:54,310 --> 00:22:50,640
uh i think two years

511
00:22:57,510 --> 00:22:54,320
if my memory is certainly one maybe it

512
00:23:00,789 --> 00:22:57,520
was two years my dad marched

513
00:23:02,950 --> 00:23:00,799
on the track before the race and yeah

514
00:23:04,710 --> 00:23:02,960
and uh with the army band and that was

515
00:23:07,350 --> 00:23:04,720
pretty cool right

516
00:23:08,789 --> 00:23:07,360
so yeah and it's it's everybody coming

517
00:23:10,789 --> 00:23:08,799
together

518
00:23:14,230 --> 00:23:10,799
and it didn't matter

519
00:23:16,230 --> 00:23:14,240
um and looking back i never i do not

520
00:23:17,669 --> 00:23:16,240
remember

521
00:23:20,950 --> 00:23:17,679
attitude

522
00:23:22,390 --> 00:23:20,960
about who you were and especially on

523
00:23:24,230 --> 00:23:22,400
memorial day

524
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:24,240
man you know what the neighbors got

525
00:23:28,310 --> 00:23:25,919
together the people in the park got

526
00:23:30,549 --> 00:23:28,320
together it didn't matter where you were

527
00:23:31,590 --> 00:23:30,559
from or why you were there

528
00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:31,600
it it

529
00:23:36,630 --> 00:23:34,080
none of that mattered if you lost a son

530
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:36,640
or a daughter or a father or a mother

531
00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:38,640
um in service and maybe that's why you

532
00:23:41,590 --> 00:23:40,400
were there maybe not maybe you were just

533
00:23:43,430 --> 00:23:41,600
there for

534
00:23:45,590 --> 00:23:43,440
for just to be thankful and to

535
00:23:48,549 --> 00:23:45,600
appreciate today whatever but nobody

536
00:23:49,590 --> 00:23:48,559
nobody had attitude

537
00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:49,600
right

538
00:23:55,830 --> 00:23:53,440
and it just seems that today

539
00:23:57,430 --> 00:23:55,840
people have attitude

540
00:23:59,430 --> 00:23:57,440
for no reason

541
00:24:01,590 --> 00:23:59,440
none

542
00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:01,600
and i just don't get that part of it

543
00:24:07,029 --> 00:24:05,600
and that same thing that is prevalent

544
00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:07,039
all around the world

545
00:24:11,350 --> 00:24:09,200
all across this country

546
00:24:13,510 --> 00:24:11,360
has infiltrated

547
00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:13,520
our ufo community

548
00:24:18,950 --> 00:24:16,720
now suddenly where this ufo community

549
00:24:21,510 --> 00:24:18,960
and especially when i got started in

550
00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:21,520
this ufo community there was no attitude

551
00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:23,840
you checked your attitude at the door

552
00:24:27,590 --> 00:24:26,640
this was about people speaking their

553
00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:27,600
mind

554
00:24:32,549 --> 00:24:30,480
sharing experiences and trying to figure

555
00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:32,559
out what is going on it didn't matter

556
00:24:38,630 --> 00:24:35,520
your background who you were your age

557
00:24:40,390 --> 00:24:38,640
your sex none of that mattered

558
00:24:43,350 --> 00:24:40,400
it was open

559
00:24:45,510 --> 00:24:43,360
an open community now

560
00:24:47,430 --> 00:24:45,520
we've been infiltrated right where it's

561
00:24:49,590 --> 00:24:47,440
and it's just it's the same thing it's

562
00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:49,600
across the board it doesn't matter

563
00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:51,600
what part of the world you're in what

564
00:24:55,110 --> 00:24:53,520
part of social media you're dealing with

565
00:24:56,789 --> 00:24:55,120
what your hobbies are what your things

566
00:24:57,750 --> 00:24:56,799
are what you do for employment doesn't

567
00:24:59,350 --> 00:24:57,760
matter

568
00:25:02,710 --> 00:24:59,360
it's everywhere

569
00:25:04,710 --> 00:25:02,720
and it is now part of our ufo community

570
00:25:07,909 --> 00:25:04,720
and the

571
00:25:10,390 --> 00:25:07,919
the overarching view

572
00:25:12,390 --> 00:25:10,400
of the ufo community

573
00:25:14,710 --> 00:25:12,400
was we are trying

574
00:25:15,830 --> 00:25:14,720
to find answers

575
00:25:18,390 --> 00:25:15,840
that's it

576
00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:18,400
that's the goal here

577
00:25:23,350 --> 00:25:21,120
the goal was never to fight and and

578
00:25:26,549 --> 00:25:23,360
point fingers and

579
00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:26,559
cause trouble and and no no we always

580
00:25:31,590 --> 00:25:28,480
you're always gonna have

581
00:25:33,430 --> 00:25:31,600
the the bad apple of course you're gonna

582
00:25:36,070 --> 00:25:33,440
have that bad apple in any group or

583
00:25:37,590 --> 00:25:36,080
community or town or city or country it

584
00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:37,600
doesn't matter

585
00:25:40,870 --> 00:25:39,760
it's the bell curve

586
00:25:43,590 --> 00:25:40,880
but

587
00:25:44,950 --> 00:25:43,600
the ufo community we pleased ourselves

588
00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:44,960
and

589
00:25:48,549 --> 00:25:47,279
the bad apples found their way to the

590
00:25:49,669 --> 00:25:48,559
door

591
00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:49,679
and

592
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:55,200
conversation in this community

593
00:25:58,230 --> 00:25:56,880
and there are those out there that don't

594
00:26:00,310 --> 00:25:58,240
want that now

595
00:26:05,190 --> 00:26:00,320
they don't want you

596
00:26:10,789 --> 00:26:07,350
think about that

597
00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:10,799
what is what is going on now why would

598
00:26:14,470 --> 00:26:12,640
that be happening

599
00:26:15,510 --> 00:26:14,480
i think it's external forces to be

600
00:26:17,830 --> 00:26:15,520
honest with you i don't think it's

601
00:26:20,070 --> 00:26:17,840
people from the ufo community that don't

602
00:26:22,630 --> 00:26:20,080
want you to have your own thought

603
00:26:26,789 --> 00:26:22,640
it's that we've been infiltrated

604
00:26:29,190 --> 00:26:26,799
and now i don't spend

605
00:26:31,990 --> 00:26:29,200
my time on social media i don't have the

606
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:32,000
time to spend my time on social media so

607
00:26:41,750 --> 00:26:38,950
but what i do get is email what i do get

608
00:26:44,390 --> 00:26:41,760
is phone calls what i do get is private

609
00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:44,400
messages uh from people did you see this

610
00:26:49,590 --> 00:26:47,840
did you hear did you did did you and i'm

611
00:26:51,269 --> 00:26:49,600
thinking to myself where is this coming

612
00:26:53,830 --> 00:26:51,279
from

613
00:26:58,390 --> 00:26:53,840
why is this happening

614
00:26:59,190 --> 00:26:58,400
and all at the same time

615
00:27:02,630 --> 00:26:59,200
that

616
00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:02,640
we are having ufo hearings on capitol

617
00:27:05,990 --> 00:27:03,760
hill

618
00:27:08,710 --> 00:27:06,000
right we're having this huge movement

619
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:08,720
forward we're having discussions going

620
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:09,600
down

621
00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:13,200
not only in in public on on capitol hill

622
00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:14,640
but in the media

623
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:16,640
like i mean like for real

624
00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:20,640
right and this this thing is happening

625
00:27:24,870 --> 00:27:22,640
apparently

626
00:27:26,149 --> 00:27:24,880
somebody doesn't like it

627
00:27:27,990 --> 00:27:26,159
now i know that there's going to be

628
00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:28,000
opposing forces

629
00:27:32,710 --> 00:27:30,960
but it is very very strange to me

630
00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:32,720
because i can assure you

631
00:27:37,590 --> 00:27:34,880
the people in this community that have

632
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:37,600
been at this for a long time that

633
00:27:44,549 --> 00:27:41,760
an experiencer of 40 or 50 years

634
00:27:46,950 --> 00:27:44,559
that has been just out there trying to

635
00:27:48,710 --> 00:27:46,960
figure out what is going on

636
00:27:50,230 --> 00:27:48,720
is not

637
00:27:51,909 --> 00:27:50,240
questioning

638
00:27:54,149 --> 00:27:51,919
is is not

639
00:27:57,590 --> 00:27:54,159
causing trouble

640
00:27:58,470 --> 00:27:57,600
no no we need to move this thing forward

641
00:28:00,549 --> 00:27:58,480
so

642
00:28:02,710 --> 00:28:00,559
that's my point

643
00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:02,720
about memorial day

644
00:28:08,549 --> 00:28:06,240
it used to be it didn't matter

645
00:28:13,190 --> 00:28:08,559
and now all of a sudden it matters who

646
00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:13,200
you are no our voice is our our own

647
00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:15,360
that's it and it's the same thing in the

648
00:28:23,830 --> 00:28:20,000
ufo community it used to feel different

649
00:28:27,190 --> 00:28:23,840
and there is there is a direct attempt

650
00:28:28,549 --> 00:28:27,200
right now to get us fighting

651
00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:28,559
and i just don't think it's going to be

652
00:28:32,470 --> 00:28:31,120
successful that's not who the ufo

653
00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:32,480
community is

654
00:28:36,549 --> 00:28:33,600
it's not

655
00:28:38,310 --> 00:28:36,559
so think about that this is memorial day

656
00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:38,320
and uh yes steven oh i think we're

657
00:28:41,430 --> 00:28:39,760
stephen said

658
00:28:43,510 --> 00:28:41,440
uh

659
00:28:45,190 --> 00:28:43,520
there is no happy memorial day yeah

660
00:28:47,269 --> 00:28:45,200
there is

661
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:47,279
and you want me to tell you why

662
00:28:52,070 --> 00:28:50,880
the fact that i am able to speak to you

663
00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:52,080
tonight

664
00:28:56,710 --> 00:28:54,080
is because somebody out there made sure

665
00:28:59,029 --> 00:28:56,720
our freedom stayed in place

666
00:29:00,870 --> 00:28:59,039
think about that and if you are a voice

667
00:29:04,549 --> 00:29:00,880
of dissent

668
00:29:06,630 --> 00:29:04,559
and maybe you are against all of that

669
00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:06,640
well you are able to speak that voice of

670
00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:09,440
dissent because somebody has allowed

671
00:29:13,990 --> 00:29:11,520
that to happen

672
00:29:16,549 --> 00:29:14,000
and has has given the ultra sacrifice

673
00:29:19,350 --> 00:29:16,559
the ultimate sacrifice for that so think

674
00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:19,360
about that that's why this is memorial

675
00:29:23,669 --> 00:29:21,760
day and i am here with you this is faded

676
00:29:26,389 --> 00:29:23,679
black i'm your host jimmy church tonight

677
00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:26,399
on this very program live from australia

678
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:29,200
ross culthart is joining us we are going

679
00:29:35,269 --> 00:29:32,080
to be discussing the capitol hill ufo

680
00:29:36,710 --> 00:29:35,279
hearing i'm going to get ross's full

681
00:29:38,230 --> 00:29:36,720
analysis

682
00:29:39,909 --> 00:29:38,240
and then some tonight tomorrow night

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billy carson is here we're going to be

684
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talking about the black knight satellite

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wednesday night john burroughs wow what

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what a great week we have here on fade

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to black tonight ross caulfart joins us

756
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:55,760
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757
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00:34:01,830 --> 00:33:59,679
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most recently for australian news and

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wackley journalism awards including the

766
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most coveted top award for australian

767
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journalism the gold walk lee his

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broadcast television investigative

769
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journalism has also won the top

770
00:34:31,030 --> 00:34:29,280
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771
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772
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775
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best-selling books dead man running and

776
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777
00:34:50,069 --> 00:34:47,679
crime in australia with motorcycle gangs

778
00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:50,079
his latest book of course is in plain

779
00:34:55,349 --> 00:34:52,800
sight an investigation into ufos and

780
00:34:57,430 --> 00:34:55,359
impossible science where he reveals a

781
00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:57,440
story largely ignored by mainstream

782
00:35:02,710 --> 00:35:00,240
media but right there in front of our

783
00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:02,720
eyes i would like to welcome back to

784
00:35:07,990 --> 00:35:05,440
fade to black live from australia

785
00:35:10,310 --> 00:35:08,000
ross coulthard ross good evening man how

786
00:35:11,670 --> 00:35:10,320
are you doing g'day jimmy how are you

787
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:11,680
mate

788
00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:13,440
you already know you're you're a time

789
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:16,400
traveler come on ross

790
00:35:19,750 --> 00:35:18,240
it's nice to be back it's a very

791
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:19,760
interesting time too in the whole

792
00:35:24,710 --> 00:35:22,320
subject matter of uaps isn't it goodness

793
00:35:27,030 --> 00:35:24,720
me who would have thought who would have

794
00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:27,040
thought that a year ago we would have

795
00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:29,680
seen members of america's intelligence

796
00:35:36,150 --> 00:35:33,040
services being called before a public

797
00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:36,160
hearing of the congress momentous times

798
00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:39,760
yeah and and i remember uh it was about

799
00:35:45,270 --> 00:35:42,720
a year ago uh when you were on this show

800
00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:45,280
and how excited we were about what was

801
00:35:49,349 --> 00:35:47,040
going on back then

802
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:49,359
right we had the uap task force report

803
00:35:54,310 --> 00:35:51,760
about to launch we knew about that and

804
00:35:56,470 --> 00:35:54,320
and your book had just come out and

805
00:35:58,470 --> 00:35:56,480
your documentary you know had just been

806
00:36:00,390 --> 00:35:58,480
released over in australia and there

807
00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:00,400
were big things happening

808
00:36:05,910 --> 00:36:02,800
but we had no clue did we had no idea

809
00:36:08,069 --> 00:36:05,920
that a year a a year from then

810
00:36:09,349 --> 00:36:08,079
we will be talking like we are right now

811
00:36:11,430 --> 00:36:09,359
it's incredible

812
00:36:13,349 --> 00:36:11,440
it is amazing i mean i i think we should

813
00:36:15,349 --> 00:36:13,359
acknowledge although you'll soon find

814
00:36:17,349 --> 00:36:15,359
out i'm very skeptical and cynical about

815
00:36:20,190 --> 00:36:17,359
what took place in congress last week i

816
00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:20,200
think we should acknowledge the awesome

817
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:22,480
momentousness of the fact that for the

818
00:36:29,349 --> 00:36:25,520
first time in 54 years there's been

819
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:29,359
public hearings in the congress on uaps

820
00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:31,200
and people aren't giggling into their

821
00:36:37,510 --> 00:36:33,440
napkins anymore anytime the subject of

822
00:36:40,230 --> 00:36:37,520
ufos uaps comes up it's now as a result

823
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:40,240
of the uap task force report that was

824
00:36:45,990 --> 00:36:43,200
tabled in your congress last year it is

825
00:36:49,990 --> 00:36:46,000
now official they've done a complete

826
00:36:52,390 --> 00:36:50,000
reversal on 75 years of denial and we

827
00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:52,400
are now looking at a u.s government that

828
00:36:58,870 --> 00:36:56,320
officially admits uaps are real

829
00:37:00,950 --> 00:36:58,880
they are potentially a national security

830
00:37:02,470 --> 00:37:00,960
issue and they are definitely a flight

831
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:02,480
safety issue

832
00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:05,200
and i guess in that context we went into

833
00:37:08,950 --> 00:37:06,800
last week's hearing

834
00:37:10,550 --> 00:37:08,960
optimistic possibly a little bit too

835
00:37:13,670 --> 00:37:10,560
optimistic that what we were going to

836
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:13,680
see was a a supine rollover by the

837
00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:15,520
defense and intelligence services in

838
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:16,880
your country

839
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:19,440
admitting what frankly i think many

840
00:37:23,190 --> 00:37:21,520
people suspect which is that the us

841
00:37:24,390 --> 00:37:23,200
government knows a lot more than it's

842
00:37:27,510 --> 00:37:24,400
letting on

843
00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:27,520
i have to admit i came away from last

844
00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:28,560
week's

845
00:37:33,510 --> 00:37:30,240
congressional hearing with the two

846
00:37:36,069 --> 00:37:33,520
witnesses ronald moultrie and scott bray

847
00:37:39,109 --> 00:37:36,079
sadly with the impression that they were

848
00:37:41,109 --> 00:37:39,119
walking back from many of the statements

849
00:37:43,030 --> 00:37:41,119
that had been made key statements and

850
00:37:46,230 --> 00:37:43,040
findings that had been made

851
00:37:49,670 --> 00:37:46,240
by their own uap task force

852
00:37:52,950 --> 00:37:49,680
i got a sense of hubris perhaps even

853
00:37:55,030 --> 00:37:52,960
dare i say arrogance that two officials

854
00:37:57,030 --> 00:37:55,040
were kind of put out of the idea that

855
00:37:58,870 --> 00:37:57,040
they were having to account to congress

856
00:38:02,390 --> 00:37:58,880
for this

857
00:38:03,670 --> 00:38:02,400
peripheral flippant issue of uaps when

858
00:38:05,670 --> 00:38:03,680
they're weighed down with the more

859
00:38:07,190 --> 00:38:05,680
momentous issues of the moment such as

860
00:38:09,430 --> 00:38:07,200
ukraine

861
00:38:11,829 --> 00:38:09,440
it would have been good i think to see

862
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:11,839
two intelligence officials come into the

863
00:38:14,710 --> 00:38:12,960
congress

864
00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:14,720
more prepared

865
00:38:18,870 --> 00:38:16,160
better briefed

866
00:38:20,950 --> 00:38:18,880
and more able to ask answer questions

867
00:38:23,109 --> 00:38:20,960
because i i was left with the very

868
00:38:24,470 --> 00:38:23,119
strong impression that they hadn't done

869
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:24,480
any research

870
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:26,640
they really hadn't done any preparation

871
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:27,599
at all

872
00:38:31,589 --> 00:38:29,280
and they were two of the most

873
00:38:33,589 --> 00:38:31,599
ill-informed intelligence officials who

874
00:38:35,270 --> 00:38:33,599
you could possibly have put before a

875
00:38:38,630 --> 00:38:35,280
congressional committee

876
00:38:41,510 --> 00:38:38,640
one would ask uh was that done by design

877
00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:41,520
and we can certainly circle back to that

878
00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:42,480
um

879
00:38:49,109 --> 00:38:46,240
let me let me ask you about the moment

880
00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:49,119
um because i think that you just gave an

881
00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:51,200
overall assessment after the fact where

882
00:38:54,630 --> 00:38:53,200
you've had a chance to stop and and and

883
00:38:57,510 --> 00:38:54,640
think about things

884
00:39:00,150 --> 00:38:57,520
but what were what was uh

885
00:39:02,069 --> 00:39:00,160
what was your mindset going into it what

886
00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:02,079
were your expectations

887
00:39:06,550 --> 00:39:04,480
look i've been told by sources to temper

888
00:39:08,230 --> 00:39:06,560
my expectations uh one of the

889
00:39:09,589 --> 00:39:08,240
explanations that i'm being given at the

890
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:09,599
moment is

891
00:39:14,790 --> 00:39:12,000
we're in a war at the moment it's not a

892
00:39:17,190 --> 00:39:14,800
declared war but frankly this is a proxy

893
00:39:19,270 --> 00:39:17,200
war that's being fought with russia

894
00:39:21,430 --> 00:39:19,280
another nuclear nation and we're

895
00:39:25,510 --> 00:39:21,440
fighting it through ukraine

896
00:39:27,990 --> 00:39:25,520
and billions of dollars of resources and

897
00:39:29,990 --> 00:39:28,000
money expenditure is being devoted

898
00:39:31,990 --> 00:39:30,000
towards making sure that america is

899
00:39:34,150 --> 00:39:32,000
dominant in ukraine

900
00:39:36,630 --> 00:39:34,160
and as a result of that i think a lot of

901
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:36,640
the priorities particularly the focus on

902
00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:39,520
uaps that was very much an issue last

903
00:39:44,230 --> 00:39:40,560
year

904
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:44,240
are being pushed gently to the edge of

905
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:45,359
the desk

906
00:39:49,990 --> 00:39:47,520
and i don't think that's fair i i think

907
00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:50,000
the the issue that comes out and i was

908
00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:52,640
warned about before the hearing was

909
00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:53,680
the heat

910
00:39:58,470 --> 00:39:56,000
really does need to be kept on we need

911
00:40:01,349 --> 00:39:58,480
to hold these people to the fire

912
00:40:03,589 --> 00:40:01,359
and uh it's not enough now that this

913
00:40:04,870 --> 00:40:03,599
matter is now before congress

914
00:40:07,510 --> 00:40:04,880
congressmen and women the

915
00:40:09,990 --> 00:40:07,520
representatives the senators they need

916
00:40:12,950 --> 00:40:10,000
to hear from the public that they regard

917
00:40:15,030 --> 00:40:12,960
this as an issue that is a voting issue

918
00:40:17,109 --> 00:40:15,040
it's an issue that matters to them and

919
00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:17,119
that they want to see a result they want

920
00:40:22,470 --> 00:40:19,520
to see questions being asked that that

921
00:40:25,829 --> 00:40:22,480
do actually get to the nub of the issue

922
00:40:27,349 --> 00:40:25,839
frankly that wasn't done last week uh

923
00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:27,359
whatever you think of how these

924
00:40:32,550 --> 00:40:30,000
representatives conducted themselves

925
00:40:34,309 --> 00:40:32,560
frankly i think they did a lousy job in

926
00:40:35,349 --> 00:40:34,319
asking questions

927
00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:35,359
the

928
00:40:41,829 --> 00:40:40,240
let's talk about andre carson for a

929
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:41,839
second um

930
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:45,040
what was interesting for me was his

931
00:40:49,270 --> 00:40:48,000
tweet that came out a few days prior uh

932
00:40:50,790 --> 00:40:49,280
to the hearing

933
00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:50,800
where he

934
00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:52,400
expressly

935
00:40:57,910 --> 00:40:55,520
inserted ufos into that tweet he didn't

936
00:41:00,550 --> 00:40:57,920
say uaps he said unidentified aerial

937
00:41:02,230 --> 00:41:00,560
phenomenon then per in parentheses he

938
00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:02,240
said ufos

939
00:41:07,750 --> 00:41:03,119
and

940
00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:07,760
interesting where he wasn't he wanted

941
00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:09,599
the public no to know

942
00:41:13,589 --> 00:41:12,160
this is about ufos and you know what

943
00:41:16,150 --> 00:41:13,599
ufos are

944
00:41:18,829 --> 00:41:16,160
all right so he he he does the tweet and

945
00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:18,839
then he comes uh with his opening

946
00:41:24,069 --> 00:41:22,240
statement and uh out of the gate brings

947
00:41:27,190 --> 00:41:24,079
up blue book

948
00:41:28,950 --> 00:41:27,200
and mentions roswell now this is before

949
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:28,960
the the hearing happened right this is

950
00:41:32,550 --> 00:41:31,200
his opening statement and i thought to

951
00:41:34,230 --> 00:41:32,560
myself

952
00:41:37,109 --> 00:41:34,240
okay

953
00:41:39,750 --> 00:41:37,119
this is what they want to talk about

954
00:41:41,109 --> 00:41:39,760
is that the feeling that you got from on

955
00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:41,119
do you think that that's what andre

956
00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:42,960
carson wanted

957
00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:45,280
look i think he was he's a politician he

958
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:47,200
was playing to his audience and i i

959
00:41:50,950 --> 00:41:49,040
think what we have to acknowledge here

960
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:50,960
is the only reason these congressional

961
00:41:56,230 --> 00:41:53,040
hearings are happening is because the

962
00:42:00,550 --> 00:41:56,240
wheel that squeaks gets the grease the

963
00:42:01,670 --> 00:42:00,560
public have said they think ufos uaps

964
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:01,680
are an issue

965
00:42:04,309 --> 00:42:03,200
and they've told that to their

966
00:42:07,030 --> 00:42:04,319
congressmen and women their

967
00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:07,040
representatives and their senators and

968
00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:08,400
it's interesting because some of these

969
00:42:12,550 --> 00:42:10,240
people are presidential candidates

970
00:42:14,790 --> 00:42:12,560
they're presidential aspirants these are

971
00:42:16,630 --> 00:42:14,800
people who wouldn't risk their political

972
00:42:18,550 --> 00:42:16,640
careers by straying

973
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:18,560
into territory that historically has

974
00:42:24,069 --> 00:42:21,440
been treated with stigma and ridicule

975
00:42:26,950 --> 00:42:24,079
and the reason why and the subtext to

976
00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:26,960
all of this jimmy is i've been talking

977
00:42:29,430 --> 00:42:27,760
to

978
00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:29,440
staffers and indeed some of the

979
00:42:33,829 --> 00:42:32,160
representatives who who are hopefully

980
00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:33,839
going to be able to ask some of the more

981
00:42:37,430 --> 00:42:35,680
scabies questions that are going to come

982
00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:37,440
up

983
00:42:43,109 --> 00:42:40,000
and what has motivated them what has

984
00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:43,119
changed them isn't so much the public

985
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:44,880
telling them we want this herd in

986
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:47,040
congress that plays a role

987
00:42:53,190 --> 00:42:50,400
what has motivated them is very clever

988
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:53,200
briefings lobbying and presentation of

989
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:54,960
evidence that have been done

990
00:43:02,150 --> 00:42:58,960
in private hearings since at least 2018

991
00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:02,160
by people like lua lizondo

992
00:43:07,109 --> 00:43:04,960
christopher mellon that quietly behind

993
00:43:08,790 --> 00:43:07,119
the scenes been using their

994
00:43:10,630 --> 00:43:08,800
understanding of the congress to

995
00:43:13,510 --> 00:43:10,640
approach individual congressmen and

996
00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:13,520
women individual senators and to explain

997
00:43:19,510 --> 00:43:16,480
to them why this issue is a national

998
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:20,390
what

999
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:22,960
i had a conversation with one individual

1000
00:43:27,190 --> 00:43:24,480
who told me that

1001
00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:27,200
when they walked out of

1002
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:28,480
seeing

1003
00:43:34,230 --> 00:43:30,400
one of the videos

1004
00:43:36,390 --> 00:43:34,240
that they'd been shown in a secure skiff

1005
00:43:38,710 --> 00:43:36,400
security

1006
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:38,720
secure compartmentalized information

1007
00:43:43,190 --> 00:43:40,480
facility one of the rooms that they used

1008
00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:43,200
to brief congressmen and women and

1009
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:44,880
senators

1010
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:47,520
they said their world had changed

1011
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:49,760
because of what they'd seen

1012
00:43:54,550 --> 00:43:51,839
now the thing that i thought was most

1013
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:54,560
telling wasn't the reference to roswell

1014
00:43:59,910 --> 00:43:57,359
in andre carson's opening

1015
00:44:02,710 --> 00:43:59,920
it was the fact that the default video

1016
00:44:06,069 --> 00:44:02,720
that they defaulted to was possibly i'm

1017
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:06,079
told the least interesting video in the

1018
00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:07,200
cupboard

1019
00:44:11,109 --> 00:44:09,599
that that of all the videos that they

1020
00:44:13,190 --> 00:44:11,119
could have selected

1021
00:44:14,950 --> 00:44:13,200
they one they weren't prepared they

1022
00:44:17,109 --> 00:44:14,960
hadn't actually provided a way to

1023
00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:17,119
actually freeze on the object that they

1024
00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:18,720
were saying was represented in that

1025
00:44:22,630 --> 00:44:21,359
video which was essentially a blurry

1026
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:22,640
metallic

1027
00:44:27,910 --> 00:44:25,200
sphere that zooms by an aircraft a

1028
00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:27,920
fighter aircraft at high speed

1029
00:44:33,270 --> 00:44:30,480
the key issue was that was one of the

1030
00:44:36,309 --> 00:44:33,280
least interesting videos i'm told of

1031
00:44:38,470 --> 00:44:36,319
what the congress has been shown why did

1032
00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:38,480
they do that why did they deliberately

1033
00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:41,280
pick a video that was the most banal

1034
00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:43,359
uninteresting of the lot the one that

1035
00:44:47,910 --> 00:44:45,520
gave the debunkers an opportunity to go

1036
00:44:49,510 --> 00:44:47,920
oh is that the best you've got seriously

1037
00:44:50,950 --> 00:44:49,520
this is not going to be more blurry

1038
00:44:52,790 --> 00:44:50,960
videos is it

1039
00:44:55,750 --> 00:44:52,800
when i'm told i mean i've spoken to

1040
00:44:57,670 --> 00:44:55,760
people who've seen the 23 minute video

1041
00:45:00,550 --> 00:44:57,680
that this apocryphal video that is

1042
00:45:02,829 --> 00:45:00,560
apparently incredibly high definition

1043
00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:02,839
which shows a very clear

1044
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:06,000
structured craft a machine a

1045
00:45:09,510 --> 00:45:08,079
technological object

1046
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:09,520
in the air

1047
00:45:14,790 --> 00:45:12,240
taken by a u s military pilot

1048
00:45:15,790 --> 00:45:14,800
detected by the way on multiple sensor

1049
00:45:19,030 --> 00:45:15,800
systems

1050
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:19,040
incontrovertibly a solid object a piece

1051
00:45:23,430 --> 00:45:20,880
of technology

1052
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:23,440
what i got worried about by the um the

1053
00:45:28,710 --> 00:45:25,920
way the the hearing was conducted

1054
00:45:30,950 --> 00:45:28,720
was i got the distinct impression that

1055
00:45:33,670 --> 00:45:30,960
what the two witnesses were trying to do

1056
00:45:36,470 --> 00:45:33,680
was walk back from the admissions that

1057
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:36,480
had actually been made by their own uap

1058
00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:40,079
task force in june last year

1059
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:42,640
an absolutely momentous acknowledgement

1060
00:45:47,349 --> 00:45:45,680
was made by the uap task force that one

1061
00:45:48,870 --> 00:45:47,359
possibility that was open for

1062
00:45:50,470 --> 00:45:48,880
consideration

1063
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:50,480
was that the technology that we were

1064
00:45:53,589 --> 00:45:51,920
looking at here

1065
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:53,599
it's not russian

1066
00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:55,200
it's not chinese

1067
00:45:59,589 --> 00:45:57,040
it's not american

1068
00:46:01,109 --> 00:45:59,599
public or black technology

1069
00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:01,119
it's someone else's

1070
00:46:06,150 --> 00:46:04,640
potentially something else's perhaps

1071
00:46:07,990 --> 00:46:06,160
some other beings

1072
00:46:11,349 --> 00:46:08,000
we just don't know

1073
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:11,359
and what i was really struck by from the

1074
00:46:16,390 --> 00:46:14,400
the hearing last week was the sense that

1075
00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:16,400
frankly

1076
00:46:19,109 --> 00:46:17,760
they were giving the public the

1077
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:19,119
impression look

1078
00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:20,640
you know we're pulling out of the draw

1079
00:46:25,109 --> 00:46:23,200
one of these kind of videos and look at

1080
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:25,119
this you know really

1081
00:46:30,150 --> 00:46:27,599
i i really wasn't given the impression

1082
00:46:31,589 --> 00:46:30,160
that either man was sincere

1083
00:46:35,030 --> 00:46:31,599
well briefed

1084
00:46:36,470 --> 00:46:35,040
or across their brief at all in any way

1085
00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:36,480
in what they were presenting to the

1086
00:46:41,190 --> 00:46:39,440
congress and frankly i i thought the the

1087
00:46:44,630 --> 00:46:41,200
both their

1088
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:44,640
conduct of themselves they were either

1089
00:46:48,230 --> 00:46:46,800
badly briefed badly informed

1090
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:48,240
ill-prepared

1091
00:46:52,150 --> 00:46:49,680
or worse

1092
00:46:55,030 --> 00:46:52,160
they came in with an intention to

1093
00:46:56,550 --> 00:46:55,040
mislead and deceive and i sincerely hope

1094
00:46:57,910 --> 00:46:56,560
that's not the case

1095
00:46:59,910 --> 00:46:57,920
you know here we are what is it it's

1096
00:47:02,230 --> 00:46:59,920
memorial day over your way in america

1097
00:47:04,150 --> 00:47:02,240
where you honor your fallen dead and

1098
00:47:05,349 --> 00:47:04,160
i had a private tier for a good friend

1099
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:05,359
of mine

1100
00:47:08,790 --> 00:47:07,200
lieutenant colonel lieutenant colonel

1101
00:47:11,510 --> 00:47:08,800
todd clark who passed away in

1102
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:11,520
afghanistan a few years back

1103
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:13,520
and i was thinking of his family

1104
00:47:17,910 --> 00:47:14,880
and i'm thinking of the service men and

1105
00:47:20,309 --> 00:47:17,920
women all around the world who've served

1106
00:47:22,390 --> 00:47:20,319
for your country and those who've served

1107
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:22,400
in my country

1108
00:47:27,430 --> 00:47:24,400
and at the heart

1109
00:47:29,910 --> 00:47:27,440
of why we're having these hearings

1110
00:47:31,349 --> 00:47:29,920
is because of a concern for our fighting

1111
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:31,359
men and women

1112
00:47:36,790 --> 00:47:33,599
that this is being acknowledged for the

1113
00:47:38,790 --> 00:47:36,800
first time as a potential national

1114
00:47:41,109 --> 00:47:38,800
security threat

1115
00:47:43,829 --> 00:47:41,119
now i know that there are those of the

1116
00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:43,839
greer faction who assert that everything

1117
00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:46,720
ufo uap is cuddly and lovely and that we

1118
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:48,960
can just warmly embrace whatever they

1119
00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:51,359
are whatever the phenomenon is but i

1120
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:52,800
don't think we're in a position to be

1121
00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:54,480
able to assert that

1122
00:48:00,470 --> 00:47:57,280
because fundamentally anything jimmy

1123
00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:00,480
that represents a superior technology to

1124
00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:02,880
the technology possessed by your country

1125
00:48:07,270 --> 00:48:05,040
of which my country is an ally a very

1126
00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:07,280
loyal and friendly ally

1127
00:48:10,630 --> 00:48:08,800
it's a threat

1128
00:48:12,309 --> 00:48:10,640
and we need to get to the bottom of that

1129
00:48:14,150 --> 00:48:12,319
and i couldn't think of a better day to

1130
00:48:16,549 --> 00:48:14,160
be having a discussion like this with

1131
00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:16,559
somebody like yourself on a platform

1132
00:48:21,109 --> 00:48:19,440
like yours where we can talk about why

1133
00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:21,119
this matters

1134
00:48:25,829 --> 00:48:23,280
because it does matter

1135
00:48:27,750 --> 00:48:25,839
jimmy people have died in engagements

1136
00:48:29,510 --> 00:48:27,760
with uaps

1137
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:29,520
you know it's a matter of public record

1138
00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:32,400
from the uk condyne report that russian

1139
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:34,960
pilots have died i've been briefed by

1140
00:48:39,030 --> 00:48:37,680
people about american pilots

1141
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:39,040
passing away in the course of

1142
00:48:43,510 --> 00:48:42,000
engagements with uaps or at least never

1143
00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:43,520
being seen again

1144
00:48:47,430 --> 00:48:45,359
this is a reality

1145
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:47,440
and yet we sweep it under the carpet we

1146
00:48:50,950 --> 00:48:49,200
turn a blind eye to it

1147
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:50,960
there's a phenomenon out there an

1148
00:48:54,309 --> 00:48:52,960
anomalous phenomenon out there a

1149
00:48:57,910 --> 00:48:54,319
technology

1150
00:48:59,910 --> 00:48:57,920
which cannot yet be explained

1151
00:49:01,910 --> 00:48:59,920
and all i saw frankly from the two

1152
00:49:02,870 --> 00:49:01,920
witnesses before the congress last week

1153
00:49:03,910 --> 00:49:02,880
was

1154
00:49:06,549 --> 00:49:03,920
sadly

1155
00:49:08,309 --> 00:49:06,559
a disingenuous response

1156
00:49:11,190 --> 00:49:08,319
you know they claimed

1157
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:11,200
if they were i just cut you off ross i i

1158
00:49:14,630 --> 00:49:13,200
apologize for that but i want to stay on

1159
00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:14,640
your thought here

1160
00:49:18,630 --> 00:49:16,960
because if they were genuine and i'm

1161
00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:18,640
talking about uh

1162
00:49:23,670 --> 00:49:20,400
bray and moultrie

1163
00:49:25,270 --> 00:49:23,680
then that video would have

1164
00:49:27,589 --> 00:49:25,280
been prepared

1165
00:49:28,470 --> 00:49:27,599
you're in front of you're on capitol

1166
00:49:31,270 --> 00:49:28,480
hill

1167
00:49:33,750 --> 00:49:31,280
so you have your easels in back of you

1168
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:33,760
you've got your freeze frame posters

1169
00:49:38,549 --> 00:49:35,760
that you're putting up and you're

1170
00:49:40,790 --> 00:49:38,559
showing examples of from the video and

1171
00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:40,800
what you need to look at the still frame

1172
00:49:46,069 --> 00:49:43,440
you have a slow motion setup you have

1173
00:49:47,910 --> 00:49:46,079
that ready to go and you are prepared

1174
00:49:50,390 --> 00:49:47,920
you can't go into a court of law and

1175
00:49:52,470 --> 00:49:50,400
this is testimony right

1176
00:49:54,549 --> 00:49:52,480
unprepared

1177
00:49:57,190 --> 00:49:54,559
you're not gonna do that and and that's

1178
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:57,200
exactly what they did do

1179
00:50:01,510 --> 00:50:00,480
and i feel that um they woke up that

1180
00:50:02,549 --> 00:50:01,520
morning

1181
00:50:04,549 --> 00:50:02,559
thinking

1182
00:50:06,870 --> 00:50:04,559
two things one

1183
00:50:08,309 --> 00:50:06,880
this is going to be a series of

1184
00:50:10,390 --> 00:50:08,319
softballs

1185
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:10,400
we're going to be able to phone this in

1186
00:50:15,190 --> 00:50:13,200
it's no big deal and two

1187
00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:15,200
we got to show a video all right so

1188
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:17,280
let's just open up a folder and pick one

1189
00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:18,240
out

1190
00:50:23,750 --> 00:50:20,880
and i i think that was probably and i'm

1191
00:50:27,109 --> 00:50:23,760
pretty sure occam's razor is on my side

1192
00:50:28,870 --> 00:50:27,119
right that this is that's the simplest

1193
00:50:31,990 --> 00:50:28,880
the simplest

1194
00:50:33,910 --> 00:50:32,000
idea of what actually went down and i'm

1195
00:50:35,589 --> 00:50:33,920
feeling pretty confident in that

1196
00:50:38,549 --> 00:50:35,599
you know one of the most telling moments

1197
00:50:41,829 --> 00:50:38,559
for me jimmy was when

1198
00:50:45,430 --> 00:50:41,839
they were being asked about the link

1199
00:50:47,270 --> 00:50:45,440
between uaps and nuclear weapons and you

1200
00:50:49,510 --> 00:50:47,280
and i spoke about this i told you when

1201
00:50:51,430 --> 00:50:49,520
we first met last year i told you about

1202
00:50:52,470 --> 00:50:51,440
how there are installations in my

1203
00:50:53,349 --> 00:50:52,480
country

1204
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:53,359
where

1205
00:50:56,790 --> 00:50:54,480
objects

1206
00:50:58,549 --> 00:50:56,800
are noted in our national archives in

1207
00:51:01,589 --> 00:50:58,559
defence department files that have been

1208
00:51:04,150 --> 00:51:01,599
declassified strange anomalous solid

1209
00:51:07,270 --> 00:51:04,160
objects have been seen hovering at a

1210
00:51:09,990 --> 00:51:07,280
time of higher defcon alert over

1211
00:51:11,910 --> 00:51:10,000
facilities that we know america uses to

1212
00:51:13,349 --> 00:51:11,920
communicate with its nuclear submarines

1213
00:51:14,470 --> 00:51:13,359
on my territory on my country's

1214
00:51:17,109 --> 00:51:14,480
territory

1215
00:51:19,750 --> 00:51:17,119
we know that there is recorded incidents

1216
00:51:22,870 --> 00:51:19,760
right across the world of interactions

1217
00:51:25,829 --> 00:51:22,880
between uaps ufos whatever the heck they

1218
00:51:28,150 --> 00:51:25,839
are and nuclear weapons my good friend

1219
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:28,160
robert hastings has

1220
00:51:33,349 --> 00:51:30,960
written a fantastic book called ufos and

1221
00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:33,359
nukes which exposed

1222
00:51:40,710 --> 00:51:37,200
the extent of icbm missile silos that

1223
00:51:44,069 --> 00:51:40,720
had been visited by anomalous objects

1224
00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:44,079
and i interviewed for my documentary

1225
00:51:49,670 --> 00:51:47,280
a lovely bloke called robert salas who

1226
00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:49,680
was a lieutenant

1227
00:51:55,910 --> 00:51:52,400
i think lieutenant or captain in the u.s

1228
00:51:59,190 --> 00:51:55,920
air force commanding an icbm silo at

1229
00:52:01,030 --> 00:51:59,200
malmstrom air force base in the 1970s

1230
00:52:03,030 --> 00:52:01,040
this is an incident that has been given

1231
00:52:04,630 --> 00:52:03,040
evidence about before

1232
00:52:06,870 --> 00:52:04,640
this is an incident that is well

1233
00:52:10,069 --> 00:52:06,880
recorded this is an incident that

1234
00:52:13,109 --> 00:52:10,079
frankly any individual working in

1235
00:52:15,510 --> 00:52:13,119
intelligence in the united states ought

1236
00:52:17,589 --> 00:52:15,520
properly to know about

1237
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:17,599
and for those witnesses to assert as

1238
00:52:22,710 --> 00:52:20,160
they did that they weren't aware of

1239
00:52:25,270 --> 00:52:22,720
malmstrom they weren't aware of ufos

1240
00:52:28,069 --> 00:52:25,280
engaging with nuclear weapons

1241
00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:28,079
to me frankly they just looked inept did

1242
00:52:33,430 --> 00:52:31,440
you nutrition i did you buy that denial

1243
00:52:35,670 --> 00:52:33,440
you know when bray bray looked over at

1244
00:52:36,790 --> 00:52:35,680
moultrie remember he goes you know about

1245
00:52:38,390 --> 00:52:36,800
monster

1246
00:52:40,069 --> 00:52:38,400
moultrie's like what do you know about

1247
00:52:42,390 --> 00:52:40,079
nah i don't i don't know anything about

1248
00:52:44,309 --> 00:52:42,400
that look oddly enough i do i mean we

1249
00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:44,319
have a saying in my line of work which

1250
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:46,559
is always assume a stuff up before a

1251
00:52:51,190 --> 00:52:49,440
conspiracy i mean i i do genuinely think

1252
00:52:53,829 --> 00:52:51,200
that it's often incompetence and

1253
00:52:55,990 --> 00:52:53,839
stupidity is the best reason for why

1254
00:52:57,510 --> 00:52:56,000
something happens that's right and often

1255
00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:57,520
i mean i've done stories where

1256
00:53:00,549 --> 00:52:59,040
bureaucrats have actually said to me

1257
00:53:02,390 --> 00:53:00,559
look ross i know it looks like a

1258
00:53:04,710 --> 00:53:02,400
conspiracy and i know there's been a

1259
00:53:05,910 --> 00:53:04,720
stuff up here but that's all it is it's

1260
00:53:07,750 --> 00:53:05,920
a stuff up

1261
00:53:10,790 --> 00:53:07,760
they use stronger language sometimes in

1262
00:53:12,630 --> 00:53:10,800
my country but the the reality is i just

1263
00:53:14,470 --> 00:53:12,640
think these guys came in thinking it was

1264
00:53:16,470 --> 00:53:14,480
all going to be a bit of a giggle

1265
00:53:18,150 --> 00:53:16,480
they hadn't done any research they

1266
00:53:20,390 --> 00:53:18,160
certainly hadn't read my book or

1267
00:53:21,510 --> 00:53:20,400
listened to your podcasts at any time

1268
00:53:23,829 --> 00:53:21,520
jimmy and it would they'd be well

1269
00:53:26,230 --> 00:53:23,839
advised to do so frankly i think

1270
00:53:27,990 --> 00:53:26,240
a good dose of fade to black or my

1271
00:53:29,349 --> 00:53:28,000
podcast need to know would be a really

1272
00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:29,359
good lesson for them they should

1273
00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:30,720
actually learn a bit about their own

1274
00:53:34,470 --> 00:53:31,680
history

1275
00:53:38,150 --> 00:53:34,480
because the us department of defense's

1276
00:53:40,470 --> 00:53:38,160
own archives the cia's own archives the

1277
00:53:43,750 --> 00:53:40,480
defense intelligence agency the nsa's

1278
00:53:46,150 --> 00:53:43,760
own archives record a long history for

1279
00:53:48,470 --> 00:53:46,160
example of engagement between these

1280
00:53:51,190 --> 00:53:48,480
weird anomalous phenomena

1281
00:53:52,470 --> 00:53:51,200
and nuclear weapons so so that's one

1282
00:53:56,950 --> 00:53:52,480
issue

1283
00:53:59,589 --> 00:53:56,960
custard was and this was another gotcha

1284
00:54:01,510 --> 00:53:59,599
moment where frankly i i really applaud

1285
00:54:03,190 --> 00:54:01,520
the one representative that did his job

1286
00:54:04,950 --> 00:54:03,200
properly was um i think it was

1287
00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:04,960
representative gallagher

1288
00:54:10,549 --> 00:54:07,920
and he he also asked about um

1289
00:54:12,230 --> 00:54:10,559
the admiral wilson document now for the

1290
00:54:13,750 --> 00:54:12,240
benefit of your listeners this is a

1291
00:54:16,549 --> 00:54:13,760
document that

1292
00:54:18,470 --> 00:54:16,559
the admiral tom wilson the former head

1293
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:18,480
of the defense intelligence agency i

1294
00:54:23,510 --> 00:54:20,640
preface everything here by saying

1295
00:54:25,510 --> 00:54:23,520
he says this document is not genuine he

1296
00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:25,520
says it's not true that the events

1297
00:54:30,549 --> 00:54:27,680
recorded in it whether it didn't happen

1298
00:54:32,790 --> 00:54:30,559
and that no such meeting took place

1299
00:54:35,510 --> 00:54:32,800
but essentially it records an alleged

1300
00:54:37,910 --> 00:54:35,520
meeting between dr eric davis now of the

1301
00:54:40,069 --> 00:54:37,920
aerospace corporation an extremely well

1302
00:54:42,789 --> 00:54:40,079
respected eminent highly qualified

1303
00:54:45,030 --> 00:54:42,799
astrophysicist and admiral tom wilson

1304
00:54:47,829 --> 00:54:45,040
the former immediately former director

1305
00:54:50,230 --> 00:54:47,839
of the defense intelligence agency

1306
00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:50,240
and it was essentially the

1307
00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:52,480
the final event in a long

1308
00:54:57,589 --> 00:54:54,960
series of years of investigations into

1309
00:54:59,990 --> 00:54:57,599
allegations that were precipitated by

1310
00:55:02,710 --> 00:55:00,000
inquiries made by dr stephen greer and

1311
00:55:05,670 --> 00:55:02,720
his organization the disclosure project

1312
00:55:07,510 --> 00:55:05,680
where they came across an nro national

1313
00:55:10,870 --> 00:55:07,520
reconnaissance office document that

1314
00:55:12,710 --> 00:55:10,880
recorded the names of various code names

1315
00:55:13,510 --> 00:55:12,720
of projects

1316
00:55:16,390 --> 00:55:13,520
and

1317
00:55:19,589 --> 00:55:16,400
when greer showed this document to

1318
00:55:21,750 --> 00:55:19,599
admiral tom wilson who was then a deputy

1319
00:55:24,230 --> 00:55:21,760
director of the dia

1320
00:55:26,710 --> 00:55:24,240
in 1997.

1321
00:55:28,710 --> 00:55:26,720
tom wilson reportedly according to five

1322
00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:28,720
people in the room pledged that he would

1323
00:55:33,190 --> 00:55:31,520
go off and investigate the contents of

1324
00:55:34,390 --> 00:55:33,200
this document to see whether he could

1325
00:55:36,870 --> 00:55:34,400
identify

1326
00:55:38,390 --> 00:55:36,880
any of the code names behind

1327
00:55:39,270 --> 00:55:38,400
that document

1328
00:55:40,950 --> 00:55:39,280
now

1329
00:55:43,270 --> 00:55:40,960
a good friend of mine who i have to use

1330
00:55:46,710 --> 00:55:43,280
a pseudonym for called the spaceman was

1331
00:55:49,589 --> 00:55:46,720
a very very close friend of

1332
00:55:51,910 --> 00:55:49,599
edgar mitchell the apollo 14 astronaut

1333
00:55:53,829 --> 00:55:51,920
the lunar module commander who who led a

1334
00:55:55,589 --> 00:55:53,839
lunar landing one of your most respected

1335
00:55:58,950 --> 00:55:55,599
national heroes

1336
00:56:00,710 --> 00:55:58,960
edgar mitchell is on record and has told

1337
00:56:03,349 --> 00:56:00,720
my friend as well

1338
00:56:05,349 --> 00:56:03,359
that he was present when a phone

1339
00:56:07,829 --> 00:56:05,359
conversation was had

1340
00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:07,839
with admiral tom wilson in weeks

1341
00:56:13,670 --> 00:56:11,040
subsequent to that 1997 meeting where

1342
00:56:16,710 --> 00:56:13,680
tom wilson described how his efforts to

1343
00:56:18,630 --> 00:56:16,720
get to the bottom of these code names

1344
00:56:21,030 --> 00:56:18,640
were actively frustrated by people

1345
00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:21,040
inside the defense department

1346
00:56:26,309 --> 00:56:24,000
and that he discovered that there was

1347
00:56:27,990 --> 00:56:26,319
indeed allegedly a secret program

1348
00:56:31,030 --> 00:56:28,000
operating within the united states

1349
00:56:34,309 --> 00:56:31,040
government to back engineer non-human

1350
00:56:35,829 --> 00:56:34,319
yes alien technology one hell of an

1351
00:56:38,150 --> 00:56:35,839
allegation

1352
00:56:40,630 --> 00:56:38,160
but as you and i both know a document

1353
00:56:43,190 --> 00:56:40,640
surfaced from the estate of dr indigo

1354
00:56:45,589 --> 00:56:43,200
mitchell in 2018

1355
00:56:47,349 --> 00:56:45,599
and that was actually leaked by my

1356
00:56:49,270 --> 00:56:47,359
friend the spaceman who still has

1357
00:56:51,030 --> 00:56:49,280
possession of that document

1358
00:56:52,870 --> 00:56:51,040
and the spaceman told me that he was

1359
00:56:54,390 --> 00:56:52,880
aware of the provenance of that document

1360
00:56:57,190 --> 00:56:54,400
that it came from edgar mitchell's

1361
00:56:59,190 --> 00:56:57,200
personal archive and that it had been

1362
00:57:01,190 --> 00:56:59,200
provided to

1363
00:57:03,829 --> 00:57:01,200
edgar mitchell when he was a member of

1364
00:57:06,390 --> 00:57:03,839
the science advisory board of the

1365
00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:06,400
national institute of discovery science

1366
00:57:11,750 --> 00:57:08,880
which was a body set up by

1367
00:57:13,829 --> 00:57:11,760
robert bigelow the space entrepreneur to

1368
00:57:16,309 --> 00:57:13,839
investigate this anomalous phenomena

1369
00:57:18,630 --> 00:57:16,319
that we call uaps ufos and the

1370
00:57:20,789 --> 00:57:18,640
paranormal

1371
00:57:23,190 --> 00:57:20,799
anyway the long and the short of it was

1372
00:57:25,109 --> 00:57:23,200
that this document that was found inside

1373
00:57:28,390 --> 00:57:25,119
edgar mitchell's estate

1374
00:57:31,270 --> 00:57:28,400
described astonishing things astonishing

1375
00:57:33,270 --> 00:57:31,280
allegations and again i emphasize the

1376
00:57:35,030 --> 00:57:33,280
admiral the good admiral admiral tom

1377
00:57:37,109 --> 00:57:35,040
wilson who i respect by the way i think

1378
00:57:40,150 --> 00:57:37,119
he's an extremely honorable and decent

1379
00:57:41,990 --> 00:57:40,160
loyal patriotic american servicemen now

1380
00:57:42,950 --> 00:57:42,000
retired

1381
00:57:45,270 --> 00:57:42,960
he

1382
00:57:48,390 --> 00:57:45,280
allegedly according to this document

1383
00:57:50,309 --> 00:57:48,400
described to dr eric davis whilst they

1384
00:57:53,670 --> 00:57:50,319
were sitting in a car in a car park

1385
00:57:55,990 --> 00:57:53,680
outside eg and g the people who serviced

1386
00:57:57,670 --> 00:57:56,000
area 51 at las vegas what an amazing

1387
00:57:58,390 --> 00:57:57,680
location to have a conversation like

1388
00:58:01,990 --> 00:57:58,400
this

1389
00:58:03,829 --> 00:58:02,000
janet airlines i know right now he he

1390
00:58:06,710 --> 00:58:03,839
allegedly according to this document

1391
00:58:09,030 --> 00:58:06,720
described in a very long-winded apparent

1392
00:58:11,109 --> 00:58:09,040
transcript of their conversation

1393
00:58:14,549 --> 00:58:11,119
a crash retrieval program that he had

1394
00:58:17,670 --> 00:58:14,559
discovered inside the us government

1395
00:58:19,109 --> 00:58:17,680
that was secretly hiding recovered

1396
00:58:22,069 --> 00:58:19,119
flying sources

1397
00:58:24,549 --> 00:58:22,079
being secreted in private aerospace

1398
00:58:27,190 --> 00:58:24,559
hidden in a private aerospace company

1399
00:58:30,150 --> 00:58:27,200
behind special access programs that were

1400
00:58:32,630 --> 00:58:30,160
plausibly denied by the us government

1401
00:58:33,829 --> 00:58:32,640
an incredible allegation

1402
00:58:36,710 --> 00:58:33,839
and

1403
00:58:39,910 --> 00:58:36,720
the incredible thing about it was

1404
00:58:42,069 --> 00:58:39,920
when confronted about this document

1405
00:58:44,309 --> 00:58:42,079
both the man who sent it to edgar

1406
00:58:46,789 --> 00:58:44,319
mitchell dr hal put off

1407
00:58:49,589 --> 00:58:46,799
and the man who purportedly wrote it dr

1408
00:58:50,870 --> 00:58:49,599
eric davis have never done anything to

1409
00:58:52,470 --> 00:58:50,880
deny

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00:58:54,390 --> 00:58:52,480
the truth and the veracity of its

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00:58:57,109 --> 00:58:54,400
authenticity

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00:58:58,950 --> 00:58:57,119
and indeed privately i've been told by

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00:59:02,230 --> 00:58:58,960
various people that that document is a

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00:59:03,750 --> 00:59:02,240
genuine document i can't prove that

1415
00:59:05,990 --> 00:59:03,760
because without tom wilson's

1416
00:59:08,230 --> 00:59:06,000
confirmation and corroboration as a

1417
00:59:10,870 --> 00:59:08,240
journalist i can't rely on it

1418
00:59:12,630 --> 00:59:10,880
but this is something this incredible

1419
00:59:15,910 --> 00:59:12,640
smoking gun document

1420
00:59:18,150 --> 00:59:15,920
it should at least be something that any

1421
00:59:20,470 --> 00:59:18,160
competent intelligence official would

1422
00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:20,480
know about because it has been as you

1423
00:59:25,829 --> 00:59:23,040
know and as i know at the forefront of

1424
00:59:28,069 --> 00:59:25,839
allegations of a cover-up inside the u.s

1425
00:59:30,470 --> 00:59:28,079
intelligence community for the last four

1426
00:59:32,950 --> 00:59:30,480
or five years and for two intelligence

1427
00:59:35,670 --> 00:59:32,960
officials to come before the congress

1428
00:59:38,870 --> 00:59:35,680
and testify as they did

1429
00:59:40,710 --> 00:59:38,880
admiral wilson memo oh no don't know

1430
00:59:42,950 --> 00:59:40,720
anything about that oh do you know

1431
00:59:44,309 --> 00:59:42,960
anything about that no no don't know

1432
00:59:48,069 --> 00:59:44,319
anything about it

1433
00:59:50,150 --> 00:59:48,079
what a load of [\h__\h] yeah yeah there

1434
00:59:52,230 --> 00:59:50,160
was a load and here's the thing i've

1435
00:59:53,430 --> 00:59:52,240
i've got 15 seconds ross before the

1436
00:59:55,990 --> 00:59:53,440
break

1437
00:59:57,349 --> 00:59:56,000
by gallagher bringing it into the public

1438
01:00:00,549 --> 00:59:57,359
record

1439
01:00:02,150 --> 01:00:00,559
now in future hearings nobody

1440
01:00:03,510 --> 01:00:02,160
can say that they don't know about the

1441
01:00:05,670 --> 01:00:03,520
document

1442
01:00:08,309 --> 01:00:05,680
right and and that's where it gets

1443
01:00:10,470 --> 01:00:08,319
interesting because this is why bringing

1444
01:00:12,309 --> 01:00:10,480
stuff to congress matters

1445
01:00:14,470 --> 01:00:12,319
and i've seen this happen in australia

1446
01:00:16,230 --> 01:00:14,480
jimmy uh i don't know by the way i don't

1447
01:00:18,710 --> 01:00:16,240
know for sure that the admiral wilson

1448
01:00:22,069 --> 01:00:18,720
document is an authentic document i know

1449
01:00:24,069 --> 01:00:22,079
i am told i am told by admiral tom

1450
01:00:26,230 --> 01:00:24,079
wilson's colleagues that he is an

1451
01:00:28,069 --> 01:00:26,240
honorable decent man

1452
01:00:29,910 --> 01:00:28,079
not the sort of person who would lie

1453
01:00:31,030 --> 01:00:29,920
perjure himself under oath before

1454
01:00:33,510 --> 01:00:31,040
congress

1455
01:00:35,430 --> 01:00:33,520
and he has already told my friend billy

1456
01:00:37,589 --> 01:00:35,440
cox who's an extremely reputable

1457
01:00:39,990 --> 01:00:37,599
journalist who's chased this issue down

1458
01:00:42,069 --> 01:00:40,000
in the past he's told billy that he will

1459
01:00:43,670 --> 01:00:42,079
tell the congress under oath what he's

1460
01:00:45,910 --> 01:00:43,680
already told billy and what he's already

1461
01:00:48,309 --> 01:00:45,920
told me which is the document's not

1462
01:00:50,950 --> 01:00:48,319
authentic and it doesn't represent an

1463
01:00:54,309 --> 01:00:50,960
accurate and fair reflection of events

1464
01:00:56,230 --> 01:00:54,319
but that at least can now be asked

1465
01:00:58,150 --> 01:00:56,240
because representative gallagher had the

1466
01:00:59,910 --> 01:00:58,160
foresight the intelligence and the

1467
01:01:02,710 --> 01:00:59,920
perspicacity to actually put it before

1468
01:01:05,349 --> 01:01:02,720
the congress that's why this matters

1469
01:01:08,150 --> 01:01:05,359
they're now on notice that they have to

1470
01:01:09,910 --> 01:01:08,160
answer this question and that's why at

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01:01:11,750 --> 01:01:09,920
some stage in the next few months

1472
01:01:14,309 --> 01:01:11,760
whatever the answer is

1473
01:01:17,109 --> 01:01:14,319
then uh as louis lozando told me last

1474
01:01:19,670 --> 01:01:17,119
week on my own podcast need to know he

1475
01:01:22,150 --> 01:01:19,680
told me they've now painted themselves

1476
01:01:23,430 --> 01:01:22,160
into a corner this is why this is

1477
01:01:25,990 --> 01:01:23,440
significant

1478
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every single statement that these

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individuals make under oath to the

1480
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congress

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is slowly

1482
01:01:37,270 --> 01:01:34,880
bricking themselves into a position

1483
01:01:40,150 --> 01:01:37,280
that's why this matters because they can

1484
01:01:42,230 --> 01:01:40,160
then be held to account and measured

1485
01:01:45,670 --> 01:01:42,240
against those statements as the

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01:01:49,349 --> 01:01:45,680
revelations before the congress continue

1487
01:01:50,789 --> 01:01:49,359
which you and i both know they will

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01:01:52,150 --> 01:01:50,799
let's take our break right here our

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guest tonight the one and only ross

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01:01:56,710 --> 01:01:54,720
cothart live from australia

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this is fade to black i am your host

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jimmy church want to remind everybody

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tomorrow night i have billy carson with

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us

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wednesday nights john burroughs thursday

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night is another fader night with open

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lines all night long this is fade to

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black on the on x and game changer

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networks i'm your host jimmy church we

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will be right back after this short

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break stay with us

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[Music]

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01:06:11,670 --> 01:06:10,319
welcome back fade to black i am your

1579
01:06:14,789 --> 01:06:11,680
host jimmy church tonight live from

1580
01:06:17,589 --> 01:06:14,799
australia ross colfar is joining us

1581
01:06:20,470 --> 01:06:17,599
we're discussing uh the ufo hearings

1582
01:06:23,109 --> 01:06:20,480
that took place on may 17th

1583
01:06:26,630 --> 01:06:23,119
capitol hill in washington d.c

1584
01:06:28,549 --> 01:06:26,640
and uh and and also what could possibly

1585
01:06:31,109 --> 01:06:28,559
be coming up in the very near future

1586
01:06:33,510 --> 01:06:31,119
we'll jump into some of that too as well

1587
01:06:34,950 --> 01:06:33,520
and ross what i wanted to do

1588
01:06:37,270 --> 01:06:34,960
is i want to

1589
01:06:38,309 --> 01:06:37,280
go back just a little bit into the

1590
01:06:41,750 --> 01:06:38,319
hearing

1591
01:06:42,870 --> 01:06:41,760
um there were a couple of things i felt

1592
01:06:44,789 --> 01:06:42,880
that

1593
01:06:46,230 --> 01:06:44,799
you're the guest i don't want to insert

1594
01:06:48,390 --> 01:06:46,240
my opinion here that's not what the

1595
01:06:51,190 --> 01:06:48,400
question is that's bad journalism but i

1596
01:06:53,589 --> 01:06:51,200
have to say it which is

1597
01:06:55,270 --> 01:06:53,599
i felt that the hearing

1598
01:06:57,750 --> 01:06:55,280
had two

1599
01:06:59,670 --> 01:06:57,760
two scenes scene one the first half of

1600
01:07:02,549 --> 01:06:59,680
the hearing i think that bray and

1601
01:07:06,710 --> 01:07:02,559
moultrie were trying to keep this

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01:07:08,710 --> 01:07:06,720
into a drone territory or a china

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01:07:10,230 --> 01:07:08,720
russia technology

1604
01:07:12,710 --> 01:07:10,240
conversation

1605
01:07:16,470 --> 01:07:12,720
and the representatives

1606
01:07:19,510 --> 01:07:16,480
some of them tried to get it back onto a

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01:07:22,150 --> 01:07:19,520
ufo or extraterrestrial conversation and

1608
01:07:25,349 --> 01:07:22,160
that was the second half of the hearing

1609
01:07:28,870 --> 01:07:25,359
um and in the beginning of the hearing

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01:07:32,870 --> 01:07:28,880
um representative crawford said

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01:07:35,829 --> 01:07:32,880
that the uap task force is not about

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01:07:38,470 --> 01:07:35,839
finding alien spacecraft

1613
01:07:40,789 --> 01:07:38,480
and later on in the hearing crawford

1614
01:07:44,309 --> 01:07:40,799
didn't about face we'll circle back to

1615
01:07:45,990 --> 01:07:44,319
that but schiff uh who is

1616
01:07:46,950 --> 01:07:46,000
you know he's the chair

1617
01:07:47,829 --> 01:07:46,960
um

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01:08:05,109 --> 01:07:47,839
he

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01:08:07,910 --> 01:08:05,119
degree 90 degree turns all of this in

1620
01:08:11,589 --> 01:08:07,920
the uap task force report

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and uh and then right after that

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uh

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01:08:16,950 --> 01:08:15,200
heinz comes in

1624
01:08:20,390 --> 01:08:16,960
and brings up

1625
01:08:23,349 --> 01:08:20,400
amateur conspiracy theory groups

1626
01:08:25,269 --> 01:08:23,359
right and and and tried to

1627
01:08:27,590 --> 01:08:25,279
bring this around that there is

1628
01:08:30,390 --> 01:08:27,600
misinformation and disinformation being

1629
01:08:33,269 --> 01:08:30,400
put out by and i'm quoting him

1630
01:08:35,510 --> 01:08:33,279
amateur ufo groups right and i'm not

1631
01:08:36,550 --> 01:08:35,520
sure who he was talking about mufon

1632
01:08:38,630 --> 01:08:36,560
maybe

1633
01:08:40,870 --> 01:08:38,640
um and that

1634
01:08:44,470 --> 01:08:40,880
this kind of misinformation and

1635
01:08:47,829 --> 01:08:44,480
disinformation needs to be deterred

1636
01:08:49,749 --> 01:08:47,839
now that sounds like censorship to me

1637
01:08:51,749 --> 01:08:49,759
i think the uh the one that blew me away

1638
01:08:53,749 --> 01:08:51,759
i think his name's lahud

1639
01:08:54,550 --> 01:08:53,759
representative lahood

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01:08:58,229 --> 01:08:54,560
and

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01:09:00,149 --> 01:08:58,239
he practically invited the two guests

1642
01:09:03,349 --> 01:09:00,159
the two witnesses to

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01:09:06,070 --> 01:09:03,359
offer an opinion on the best way to

1644
01:09:09,110 --> 01:09:06,080
prosecute and and in some way punish

1645
01:09:10,789 --> 01:09:09,120
people who dare to question the veracity

1646
01:09:12,070 --> 01:09:10,799
of the intelligence establishment on

1647
01:09:14,070 --> 01:09:12,080
these issues

1648
01:09:16,950 --> 01:09:14,080
um i i was just gobsmacked i was

1649
01:09:19,749 --> 01:09:16,960
gobsmacked at the uh we call them googly

1650
01:09:20,470 --> 01:09:19,759
questions that were being offered by the

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uh

1652
01:09:27,269 --> 01:09:24,799
trying and let me give you a couple of

1653
01:09:29,269 --> 01:09:27,279
examples jimmy because i really do

1654
01:09:31,990 --> 01:09:29,279
but let me ask you this though and i

1655
01:09:34,789 --> 01:09:32,000
want to please i i want i want to hear

1656
01:09:36,390 --> 01:09:34,799
uh uh your answer but

1657
01:09:39,430 --> 01:09:36,400
as a journalist

1658
01:09:41,749 --> 01:09:39,440
and hymes and la hood

1659
01:09:45,189 --> 01:09:41,759
bring up censorship and possible

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criminal repercussions for just having

1661
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an opinion or asking questions it's

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01:09:52,309 --> 01:09:49,759
suddenly a criminal offense as a

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01:09:53,669 --> 01:09:52,319
journalist you've got to raise every red

1664
01:09:55,350 --> 01:09:53,679
flag right

1665
01:09:59,110 --> 01:09:55,360
look it was just appalling and it

1666
01:10:01,270 --> 01:09:59,120
wreaked to me of a pre-arranged question

1667
01:10:02,950 --> 01:10:01,280
it reeked to me of

1668
01:10:04,630 --> 01:10:02,960
hey you guys i'm going to ask you a

1669
01:10:06,310 --> 01:10:04,640
really softball question that you're

1670
01:10:07,750 --> 01:10:06,320
just going to love here's a free kick

1671
01:10:09,910 --> 01:10:07,760
for you let's have a kick at these

1672
01:10:12,870 --> 01:10:09,920
annoying ufo people who are asking all

1673
01:10:14,390 --> 01:10:12,880
these wacky conspiracy driven questions

1674
01:10:16,470 --> 01:10:14,400
that are embarrassing you guys in the

1675
01:10:19,189 --> 01:10:16,480
national defense establishment

1676
01:10:22,149 --> 01:10:19,199
uh i i thought it was crazy i mean we

1677
01:10:25,669 --> 01:10:22,159
are let's just talk for a moment about

1678
01:10:28,870 --> 01:10:25,679
what the uap task force report

1679
01:10:30,870 --> 01:10:28,880
itself albeit a short document what it

1680
01:10:33,830 --> 01:10:30,880
admitted last year

1681
01:10:35,669 --> 01:10:33,840
it admitted in a very qualified way but

1682
01:10:38,149 --> 01:10:35,679
it fundamentally admitted that there is

1683
01:10:39,270 --> 01:10:38,159
a technology of some kind that is

1684
01:10:41,669 --> 01:10:39,280
anomalous

1685
01:10:43,510 --> 01:10:41,679
that is not american it's not russian

1686
01:10:45,990 --> 01:10:43,520
it's not chinese it's none of our known

1687
01:10:49,350 --> 01:10:46,000
adversaries it's not black american

1688
01:10:51,910 --> 01:10:49,360
technology hidden in the black somewhere

1689
01:10:53,189 --> 01:10:51,920
it's doing what they've called the five

1690
01:10:56,070 --> 01:10:53,199
observables

1691
01:10:57,830 --> 01:10:56,080
technology that is way beyond known

1692
01:11:00,550 --> 01:10:57,840
human science

1693
01:11:03,910 --> 01:11:00,560
incredible instantaneous velocity going

1694
01:11:06,390 --> 01:11:03,920
from zero to ten thousand miles an hour

1695
01:11:07,669 --> 01:11:06,400
in the blink of an eye hypersonic

1696
01:11:10,470 --> 01:11:07,679
maneuvers

1697
01:11:12,790 --> 01:11:10,480
stealth it's concealing itself it's

1698
01:11:15,350 --> 01:11:12,800
going trans-medium it's going from the

1699
01:11:18,229 --> 01:11:15,360
atmosphere to the ocean with very little

1700
01:11:20,630 --> 01:11:18,239
change in velocity and displacing water

1701
01:11:23,110 --> 01:11:20,640
through the ocean at speeds that some

1702
01:11:28,470 --> 01:11:23,120
people have described as high as faster

1703
01:11:32,229 --> 01:11:30,070
incredible are you still there jimmy

1704
01:11:33,350 --> 01:11:32,239
i've seem to have lost you yeah yeah but

1705
01:11:36,390 --> 01:11:33,360
the um

1706
01:11:37,910 --> 01:11:36,400
the thing that blows me away is this is

1707
01:11:40,709 --> 01:11:37,920
an admission

1708
01:11:43,030 --> 01:11:40,719
now that there is a technology operating

1709
01:11:44,950 --> 01:11:43,040
on our planet which is not known that

1710
01:11:47,750 --> 01:11:44,960
nobody can explain

1711
01:11:49,910 --> 01:11:47,760
and what the congress is now in a

1712
01:11:51,830 --> 01:11:49,920
position to be able to do

1713
01:11:54,070 --> 01:11:51,840
is to elicit answers from the

1714
01:11:55,830 --> 01:11:54,080
representatives as that are coming

1715
01:11:58,070 --> 01:11:55,840
forward from the defense department and

1716
01:12:01,030 --> 01:11:58,080
the intelligence community to answer

1717
01:12:03,350 --> 01:12:01,040
that question and frankly i i just

1718
01:12:06,830 --> 01:12:03,360
thought what i saw there was an attempt

1719
01:12:09,510 --> 01:12:06,840
at evasion and dissembling i saw

1720
01:12:11,669 --> 01:12:09,520
obfuscation i saw

1721
01:12:15,030 --> 01:12:11,679
quite frankly i i i like to think the

1722
01:12:16,950 --> 01:12:15,040
best of our service men and women i i i

1723
01:12:19,270 --> 01:12:16,960
admire i've had briefings from a lot of

1724
01:12:21,110 --> 01:12:19,280
people in your intelligence community as

1725
01:12:23,270 --> 01:12:21,120
a journalist doing stories about

1726
01:12:25,750 --> 01:12:23,280
terrorism or wars in iraq and

1727
01:12:27,990 --> 01:12:25,760
afghanistan i've seen how good your

1728
01:12:29,990 --> 01:12:28,000
people are on a front line and in a hot

1729
01:12:32,070 --> 01:12:30,000
zone you know you should be very very

1730
01:12:34,630 --> 01:12:32,080
proud of your armed services you're

1731
01:12:36,470 --> 01:12:34,640
extremely well served by your men and

1732
01:12:39,510 --> 01:12:36,480
women in uniform

1733
01:12:42,149 --> 01:12:39,520
but without wanting to speak unfairly

1734
01:12:44,470 --> 01:12:42,159
ill of people in the intelligence

1735
01:12:47,110 --> 01:12:44,480
community i was very disappointed and

1736
01:12:49,830 --> 01:12:47,120
shocked that two people coming before

1737
01:12:51,669 --> 01:12:49,840
the congress for the first time in over

1738
01:12:53,510 --> 01:12:51,679
half a century

1739
01:12:55,430 --> 01:12:53,520
have basically failed to brief

1740
01:12:57,910 --> 01:12:55,440
themselves properly about the issues

1741
01:13:00,470 --> 01:12:57,920
that they were coming to talk about

1742
01:13:04,070 --> 01:13:00,480
this wasn't an opportunity for a free

1743
01:13:06,310 --> 01:13:04,080
kick at a ufo group we are well beyond

1744
01:13:08,229 --> 01:13:06,320
the flippant and frankly ridiculous

1745
01:13:10,550 --> 01:13:08,239
observation that some people have made

1746
01:13:13,270 --> 01:13:10,560
in the debunking world that this is all

1747
01:13:15,270 --> 01:13:13,280
nonsense and easily dismissed the neil

1748
01:13:17,750 --> 01:13:15,280
degrasse tysons you know all of the

1749
01:13:20,950 --> 01:13:17,760
other scientists who who choose to take

1750
01:13:23,030 --> 01:13:20,960
an extremely unscientific unobjective

1751
01:13:25,110 --> 01:13:23,040
totally subjective way of approaching

1752
01:13:27,350 --> 01:13:25,120
this issue just to dismiss it out of

1753
01:13:28,950 --> 01:13:27,360
hand and say look you know

1754
01:13:30,790 --> 01:13:28,960
extraordinary claims require

1755
01:13:32,310 --> 01:13:30,800
extraordinary evidence you know frankly

1756
01:13:34,149 --> 01:13:32,320
we're not going there until somebody

1757
01:13:36,310 --> 01:13:34,159
provides us with the proof

1758
01:13:39,270 --> 01:13:36,320
we are now at a stage where the proof

1759
01:13:42,229 --> 01:13:39,280
has been provided the united states has

1760
01:13:44,550 --> 01:13:42,239
acknowledged there is a reality here

1761
01:13:46,390 --> 01:13:44,560
there is an anomalous phenomena

1762
01:13:48,070 --> 01:13:46,400
that cannot be explained

1763
01:13:50,070 --> 01:13:48,080
or at least that's their official

1764
01:13:51,270 --> 01:13:50,080
position i don't believe that frankly i

1765
01:13:52,310 --> 01:13:51,280
think they know a lot more than they're

1766
01:13:55,990 --> 01:13:52,320
letting on

1767
01:13:58,310 --> 01:13:56,000
uh the the turning point for me

1768
01:14:01,910 --> 01:13:58,320
uh i want your thoughts on

1769
01:14:02,790 --> 01:14:01,920
representative welch because welch

1770
01:14:05,110 --> 01:14:02,800
uh

1771
01:14:06,470 --> 01:14:05,120
apparently had just had enough of drone

1772
01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:06,480
talk right

1773
01:14:13,510 --> 01:14:08,320
in china and russia

1774
01:14:15,510 --> 01:14:13,520
and he says and i i i quite honestly

1775
01:14:17,110 --> 01:14:15,520
almost fell out of my chair

1776
01:14:19,350 --> 01:14:17,120
when he said

1777
01:14:21,910 --> 01:14:19,360
it's a big universe man

1778
01:14:25,110 --> 01:14:21,920
and right when he said that i knew he

1779
01:14:26,950 --> 01:14:25,120
was about to go there and he did

1780
01:14:30,110 --> 01:14:26,960
he said uh

1781
01:14:33,510 --> 01:14:30,120
that there may be visits by e.t and

1782
01:14:34,470 --> 01:14:33,520
extraterrestrial life his words

1783
01:14:37,189 --> 01:14:34,480
and

1784
01:14:39,669 --> 01:14:37,199
the response from moultrie

1785
01:14:42,229 --> 01:14:39,679
uh which was uh you know we're working

1786
01:14:45,350 --> 01:14:42,239
with nasa uh to search for

1787
01:14:47,350 --> 01:14:45,360
extraterrestrial life he does his dance

1788
01:14:50,310 --> 01:14:47,360
and then uh

1789
01:14:52,470 --> 01:14:50,320
welch comes back with

1790
01:14:54,630 --> 01:14:52,480
okay you don't want to talk about it now

1791
01:14:56,630 --> 01:14:54,640
in the public hearing well what about

1792
01:14:58,470 --> 01:14:56,640
later this afternoon in the classified

1793
01:15:00,550 --> 01:14:58,480
briefing are you going to tell us about

1794
01:15:02,149 --> 01:15:00,560
e.t and extraterrestrial life visiting

1795
01:15:04,310 --> 01:15:02,159
this planet

1796
01:15:07,430 --> 01:15:04,320
and i thought that that was absolutely

1797
01:15:10,229 --> 01:15:07,440
extraordinary and definitely put bray

1798
01:15:12,470 --> 01:15:10,239
and moultrie on the spot for an answer

1799
01:15:15,110 --> 01:15:12,480
in the in the classified briefing well

1800
01:15:16,950 --> 01:15:15,120
you see i i hope that they were told

1801
01:15:18,229 --> 01:15:16,960
something about that in the classified

1802
01:15:20,149 --> 01:15:18,239
briefing i mean for what it's worth

1803
01:15:22,229 --> 01:15:20,159
jimmy i think the extraterrestrial

1804
01:15:24,070 --> 01:15:22,239
hypothesis that the idea that what we're

1805
01:15:26,310 --> 01:15:24,080
talking about here is a life from

1806
01:15:28,310 --> 01:15:26,320
another universe or another part of the

1807
01:15:30,950 --> 01:15:28,320
galaxy i think that's the least

1808
01:15:33,350 --> 01:15:30,960
plausible explanation more and more i

1809
01:15:35,510 --> 01:15:33,360
get the impression that whatever this is

1810
01:15:37,910 --> 01:15:35,520
it's been here a long time

1811
01:15:40,550 --> 01:15:37,920
it shares this planet with us it's not

1812
01:15:43,669 --> 01:15:40,560
necessarily visiting

1813
01:15:45,910 --> 01:15:43,679
it's here too it lives here

1814
01:15:48,070 --> 01:15:45,920
but whatever it is it's intelligent and

1815
01:15:50,550 --> 01:15:48,080
it's technologically advanced way

1816
01:15:52,149 --> 01:15:50,560
technologically advanced to us

1817
01:15:55,110 --> 01:15:52,159
and this is the thing that i found was

1818
01:15:56,070 --> 01:15:55,120
the subtext behind all of this because

1819
01:15:58,870 --> 01:15:56,080
whilst

1820
01:16:00,950 --> 01:15:58,880
you've got this momentous context of

1821
01:16:03,830 --> 01:16:00,960
admissions that have been made by the

1822
01:16:06,149 --> 01:16:03,840
uap task force and by other reports and

1823
01:16:08,550 --> 01:16:06,159
investigations which essentially out of

1824
01:16:11,750 --> 01:16:08,560
the uaptf they admitted they could not

1825
01:16:14,110 --> 01:16:11,760
explain despite exhaustive investigation

1826
01:16:16,950 --> 01:16:14,120
all but one of

1827
01:16:19,830 --> 01:16:16,960
144 incidents they were unable to

1828
01:16:21,669 --> 01:16:19,840
provide an explanation

1829
01:16:23,590 --> 01:16:21,679
they've looked at

1830
01:16:26,390 --> 01:16:23,600
anomalous weather phenomena they've

1831
01:16:28,310 --> 01:16:26,400
looked at drones they've looked at

1832
01:16:29,510 --> 01:16:28,320
whether or not it's a weather event or

1833
01:16:32,550 --> 01:16:29,520
something like that or another

1834
01:16:34,390 --> 01:16:32,560
misidentified aircraft and the uap task

1835
01:16:35,910 --> 01:16:34,400
force was not able to provide

1836
01:16:38,310 --> 01:16:35,920
an explanation

1837
01:16:39,189 --> 01:16:38,320
and for me the the one moment that

1838
01:16:41,590 --> 01:16:39,199
really

1839
01:16:44,790 --> 01:16:41,600
frankly just i was just yelling at the

1840
01:16:47,030 --> 01:16:44,800
screen by this stage was when

1841
01:16:48,790 --> 01:16:47,040
i think it was uh montreal bray

1842
01:16:51,669 --> 01:16:48,800
basically said

1843
01:16:54,149 --> 01:16:51,679
they've investigated the um

1844
01:16:56,070 --> 01:16:54,159
the video that he was showing that he

1845
01:16:58,870 --> 01:16:56,080
was referring to and i think it involved

1846
01:17:01,590 --> 01:16:58,880
a pyramid over a ship which i think is

1847
01:17:04,229 --> 01:17:01,600
the uss russell incident

1848
01:17:07,350 --> 01:17:04,239
and this is a video that was released by

1849
01:17:09,189 --> 01:17:07,360
jeremy corbell quite laudably in a great

1850
01:17:11,669 --> 01:17:09,199
scoop by jeremy

1851
01:17:13,990 --> 01:17:11,679
and jeremy basically uh presented

1852
01:17:16,390 --> 01:17:14,000
evidence that has since been attacked by

1853
01:17:18,870 --> 01:17:16,400
many debunkers suggesting you know that

1854
01:17:20,790 --> 01:17:18,880
this is bokeh that this is a distortion

1855
01:17:23,030 --> 01:17:20,800
caused by night vision goggles looking

1856
01:17:25,910 --> 01:17:23,040
through an slr single lens

1857
01:17:27,590 --> 01:17:25,920
single lens reflex camera lens

1858
01:17:29,830 --> 01:17:27,600
and that essentially what was hovering

1859
01:17:31,910 --> 01:17:29,840
over the vessel wasn't actually a

1860
01:17:33,030 --> 01:17:31,920
pyramid or a triangle it was essentially

1861
01:17:34,709 --> 01:17:33,040
a

1862
01:17:36,630 --> 01:17:34,719
the two witnesses left us with the

1863
01:17:40,310 --> 01:17:36,640
impression it was essentially a drone or

1864
01:17:42,709 --> 01:17:40,320
some kind of uav or quadcopter

1865
01:17:45,830 --> 01:17:42,719
now this assertion is made

1866
01:17:48,149 --> 01:17:45,840
when we know the uss russell was in the

1867
01:17:50,470 --> 01:17:48,159
middle of the open ocean

1868
01:17:53,270 --> 01:17:50,480
you know there were no other ships in

1869
01:17:54,950 --> 01:17:53,280
the area and indeed there have been uh

1870
01:17:57,189 --> 01:17:54,960
declassified documents that have been

1871
01:17:59,990 --> 01:17:57,199
released on foi relating to at least

1872
01:18:01,990 --> 01:18:00,000
some of these drone incidents so-called

1873
01:18:03,030 --> 01:18:02,000
on u.s navy vessels

1874
01:18:04,709 --> 01:18:03,040
where

1875
01:18:06,870 --> 01:18:04,719
they're in the open ocean

1876
01:18:08,709 --> 01:18:06,880
way out to sea and they've even gone and

1877
01:18:10,149 --> 01:18:08,719
searched the adjoining i think one was a

1878
01:18:11,750 --> 01:18:10,159
cargo vessel that was coming to

1879
01:18:13,590 --> 01:18:11,760
australia

1880
01:18:16,070 --> 01:18:13,600
and they couldn't find any drones on

1881
01:18:17,910 --> 01:18:16,080
that vessel there was nothing to support

1882
01:18:20,630 --> 01:18:17,920
the contention that these were

1883
01:18:22,709 --> 01:18:20,640
commercially available drones that were

1884
01:18:24,709 --> 01:18:22,719
flying above us navy vessels in the

1885
01:18:27,910 --> 01:18:24,719
middle of the open ocean

1886
01:18:30,070 --> 01:18:27,920
but what just gobsmacked me was that the

1887
01:18:32,229 --> 01:18:30,080
the representatives sat there like

1888
01:18:33,590 --> 01:18:32,239
little lambs when they were fed this

1889
01:18:35,350 --> 01:18:33,600
line by

1890
01:18:37,270 --> 01:18:35,360
two witnesses from the defense

1891
01:18:38,709 --> 01:18:37,280
intelligence community and they didn't

1892
01:18:41,350 --> 01:18:38,719
follow up and say

1893
01:18:44,630 --> 01:18:41,360
okay well if it was drones if as you say

1894
01:18:46,950 --> 01:18:44,640
it was drones who's got drone technology

1895
01:18:49,030 --> 01:18:46,960
like this where's this drone technology

1896
01:18:51,510 --> 01:18:49,040
coming from that's right because these

1897
01:18:54,149 --> 01:18:51,520
drones were and are recorded doing

1898
01:18:55,590 --> 01:18:54,159
extraordinary things i'm waiting to hear

1899
01:18:58,149 --> 01:18:55,600
jeremy's response i'm going to give

1900
01:19:01,110 --> 01:18:58,159
jeremy the benefit of the dart because i

1901
01:19:04,390 --> 01:19:01,120
suspect that he's not going to cop this

1902
01:19:06,950 --> 01:19:04,400
bokeh explanation which i know a good

1903
01:19:09,430 --> 01:19:06,960
friend and quite rightly a

1904
01:19:10,470 --> 01:19:09,440
laudable skeptic mick west has jumped

1905
01:19:13,189 --> 01:19:10,480
upon

1906
01:19:15,350 --> 01:19:13,199
mix made much of this he's suggested

1907
01:19:17,990 --> 01:19:15,360
that a lot of these videos of objects

1908
01:19:19,510 --> 01:19:18,000
hovering over navy dips are just drones

1909
01:19:21,110 --> 01:19:19,520
they're just uavs that have been

1910
01:19:23,110 --> 01:19:21,120
distorted through the lenses that

1911
01:19:25,669 --> 01:19:23,120
they're using to film them more often

1912
01:19:28,709 --> 01:19:25,679
than not night vision goggle lenses

1913
01:19:31,669 --> 01:19:28,719
and what annoyed me was

1914
01:19:34,149 --> 01:19:31,679
knowing what i know from my sources

1915
01:19:35,990 --> 01:19:34,159
this impression that was left with the

1916
01:19:38,310 --> 01:19:36,000
congress the representatives and the

1917
01:19:40,870 --> 01:19:38,320
watching public was

1918
01:19:43,910 --> 01:19:40,880
don't worry guys this is all going to

1919
01:19:45,669 --> 01:19:43,920
turn out to be drones and uavs it's only

1920
01:19:48,709 --> 01:19:45,679
a matter of time before we get an

1921
01:19:51,110 --> 01:19:48,719
explanation that satisfies inquiring

1922
01:19:53,110 --> 01:19:51,120
curious minds you know and look we've

1923
01:19:55,350 --> 01:19:53,120
looked at this particular video that

1924
01:19:57,830 --> 01:19:55,360
described a triangle or a pyramid hoving

1925
01:19:59,510 --> 01:19:57,840
over the deck and it was a bokeh effect

1926
01:20:01,110 --> 01:19:59,520
it was a distortion caused by night

1927
01:20:04,790 --> 01:20:01,120
vision goggles

1928
01:20:07,110 --> 01:20:04,800
but no attempt to explain the mass

1929
01:20:09,430 --> 01:20:07,120
swarms of drones that have now been

1930
01:20:13,030 --> 01:20:09,440
recorded in multiple incidents to be

1931
01:20:14,790 --> 01:20:13,040
plaguing u.s navy vessels snoopy teams

1932
01:20:17,430 --> 01:20:14,800
which are the teams that are deployed

1933
01:20:19,750 --> 01:20:17,440
when there are unidentified craft

1934
01:20:22,470 --> 01:20:19,760
hovering near u.s navy vessels were

1935
01:20:27,430 --> 01:20:22,480
deployed and they still record in the

1936
01:20:29,189 --> 01:20:27,440
foi documents that these are uaps uavs

1937
01:20:31,830 --> 01:20:29,199
unidentified

1938
01:20:32,950 --> 01:20:31,840
vehicles of some kind near u.s navy

1939
01:20:33,910 --> 01:20:32,960
vessels

1940
01:20:36,229 --> 01:20:33,920
to me

1941
01:20:38,629 --> 01:20:36,239
what shocked me was the lack of

1942
01:20:40,870 --> 01:20:38,639
curiosity by the representatives they

1943
01:20:41,910 --> 01:20:40,880
had a glorious opportunity to follow up

1944
01:20:45,110 --> 01:20:41,920
and go

1945
01:20:47,350 --> 01:20:45,120
okay sir if it was a drone as you say

1946
01:20:49,590 --> 01:20:47,360
why do you say it was a drone what kind

1947
01:20:51,590 --> 01:20:49,600
of drone was it have you satisfied

1948
01:20:53,990 --> 01:20:51,600
yourself that it was a drone

1949
01:20:56,709 --> 01:20:54,000
what kind of drone can hover for hours

1950
01:20:58,149 --> 01:20:56,719
over a us navy ship do the maneuvers

1951
01:20:59,990 --> 01:20:58,159
that these things have been witnessed

1952
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doing

1953
01:21:06,790 --> 01:21:02,320
in the open ocean yeah yeah in the open

1954
01:21:08,790 --> 01:21:06,800
ocean there is um uh another uh line of

1955
01:21:09,990 --> 01:21:08,800
questioning that happened right about

1956
01:21:12,550 --> 01:21:10,000
this time

1957
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which uh came in uh

1958
01:21:17,430 --> 01:21:16,239
uh from uh representative schiff when he

1959
01:21:18,629 --> 01:21:17,440
says

1960
01:21:20,550 --> 01:21:18,639
uh

1961
01:21:22,229 --> 01:21:20,560
are you guys only interested i'm

1962
01:21:24,629 --> 01:21:22,239
paraphrasing are you guys only

1963
01:21:26,149 --> 01:21:24,639
interested in the low hanging fruit on

1964
01:21:28,950 --> 01:21:26,159
the stuff that you can just readily

1965
01:21:31,110 --> 01:21:28,960
identify and that is easy to investigate

1966
01:21:32,310 --> 01:21:31,120
or are you interested in taking this a

1967
01:21:34,950 --> 01:21:32,320
step further

1968
01:21:36,950 --> 01:21:34,960
and really scientifically investigating

1969
01:21:38,470 --> 01:21:36,960
the stuff that you can't explain

1970
01:21:40,229 --> 01:21:38,480
and i thought that that was a great

1971
01:21:44,149 --> 01:21:40,239
question

1972
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happening at that time

1973
01:21:49,270 --> 01:21:46,800
yeah i do too and and frankly i mean

1974
01:21:51,990 --> 01:21:49,280
yeah i mean what is needed is good data

1975
01:21:53,590 --> 01:21:52,000
but the irony is as we all know

1976
01:21:55,510 --> 01:21:53,600
one of the things i i want to address

1977
01:21:57,189 --> 01:21:55,520
that by responding to a question that

1978
01:21:59,750 --> 01:21:57,199
was asked at one stage during the

1979
01:22:01,990 --> 01:21:59,760
hearing about what has happened since

1980
01:22:03,990 --> 01:22:02,000
project blue book so i think it was

1981
01:22:05,510 --> 01:22:04,000
again representative gallagher who i'm

1982
01:22:07,990 --> 01:22:05,520
going to give a gold star for his

1983
01:22:08,870 --> 01:22:08,000
questioning and and he basically asked

1984
01:22:10,870 --> 01:22:08,880
you know

1985
01:22:13,590 --> 01:22:10,880
what have been the initiatives that the

1986
01:22:15,510 --> 01:22:13,600
dod or dod contractors have done since

1987
01:22:19,990 --> 01:22:15,520
project blue book ended which was in

1988
01:22:21,830 --> 01:22:20,000
1969 1970 and before atip's beginning

1989
01:22:23,430 --> 01:22:21,840
was there anything predating project

1990
01:22:24,870 --> 01:22:23,440
blue book and scott bray actually

1991
01:22:27,110 --> 01:22:24,880
answered he said

1992
01:22:29,110 --> 01:22:27,120
i can't speak to what may have predated

1993
01:22:30,870 --> 01:22:29,120
project blue book

1994
01:22:32,950 --> 01:22:30,880
i'm familiar with blue book i'm familiar

1995
01:22:34,550 --> 01:22:32,960
with atip i haven't seen other

1996
01:22:37,110 --> 01:22:34,560
documented studies that have been done

1997
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by dod in that regard

1998
01:22:42,070 --> 01:22:39,840
now that i'm sorry i i don't like to

1999
01:22:44,709 --> 01:22:42,080
reflect ill on your representatives but

2000
01:22:47,510 --> 01:22:44,719
that was a very disingenuous answer

2001
01:22:50,470 --> 01:22:47,520
because it's on the public record that

2002
01:22:53,990 --> 01:22:50,480
there have been multiple research done

2003
01:22:55,830 --> 01:22:54,000
into uaps by the u.s defense department

2004
01:22:56,629 --> 01:22:55,840
different three-letter agencies for the

2005
01:22:59,750 --> 01:22:56,639
past

2006
01:23:01,910 --> 01:22:59,760
50 60 years since project blue book

2007
01:23:03,990 --> 01:23:01,920
so for him to assert that he's not aware

2008
01:23:07,030 --> 01:23:04,000
of anything in between project blue book

2009
01:23:08,229 --> 01:23:07,040
and atip the pentagon's secret ufo

2010
01:23:11,910 --> 01:23:08,239
program that

2011
01:23:13,750 --> 01:23:11,920
allegedly happened between 2008 and 2012

2012
01:23:15,510 --> 01:23:13,760
scott bray basically said i'm not aware

2013
01:23:18,070 --> 01:23:15,520
of anything that's official that was

2014
01:23:20,390 --> 01:23:18,080
done in between those two it hasn't been

2015
01:23:22,870 --> 01:23:20,400
brought to my attention

2016
01:23:24,790 --> 01:23:22,880
now frankly that wreaks to me of an

2017
01:23:27,990 --> 01:23:24,800
official that didn't do his job he

2018
01:23:29,590 --> 01:23:28,000
didn't read his brief if you know as he

2019
01:23:31,030 --> 01:23:29,600
did that you're about to give evidence

2020
01:23:33,270 --> 01:23:31,040
to the congress

2021
01:23:35,910 --> 01:23:33,280
you bloody well do your homework you

2022
01:23:38,470 --> 01:23:35,920
don't come in ill-prepared and frankly

2023
01:23:41,510 --> 01:23:38,480
in my country if an official came in and

2024
01:23:43,910 --> 01:23:41,520
said that he wasn't aware of ufo studies

2025
01:23:45,510 --> 01:23:43,920
that had been done in the past 50 years

2026
01:23:47,990 --> 01:23:45,520
and he knew he was coming to the

2027
01:23:51,110 --> 01:23:48,000
congress to answer for the past 50 years

2028
01:23:53,350 --> 01:23:51,120
of what's been happening with ufos uaps

2029
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he'd probably get the sack

2030
01:23:56,550 --> 01:23:54,080
so

2031
01:23:58,470 --> 01:23:56,560
that to me is how serious this is

2032
01:24:00,149 --> 01:23:58,480
the congress needs to put these people

2033
01:24:02,229 --> 01:24:00,159
on notice that if they come before the

2034
01:24:03,430 --> 01:24:02,239
congress again and try and evade and

2035
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dissemble

2036
01:24:06,550 --> 01:24:05,440
and obfuscate in how they answer

2037
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questions

2038
01:24:09,590 --> 01:24:08,080
they're going to lose their jobs or

2039
01:24:10,709 --> 01:24:09,600
they're going to be found in contempt of

2040
01:24:13,030 --> 01:24:10,719
congress

2041
01:24:15,430 --> 01:24:13,040
because this isn't a friendly engagement

2042
01:24:16,709 --> 01:24:15,440
here this shouldn't be a friendly

2043
01:24:18,550 --> 01:24:16,719
engagement

2044
01:24:21,350 --> 01:24:18,560
because even with the admissions that

2045
01:24:22,629 --> 01:24:21,360
have been made by the uap task force

2046
01:24:24,070 --> 01:24:22,639
last year

2047
01:24:26,790 --> 01:24:24,080
it's now clear

2048
01:24:28,950 --> 01:24:26,800
congress has been lied to

2049
01:24:31,430 --> 01:24:28,960
it's been deceived

2050
01:24:32,629 --> 01:24:31,440
don't forget jimmy that president barack

2051
01:24:35,750 --> 01:24:32,639
obama

2052
01:24:38,550 --> 01:24:35,760
put out a press release in 2011

2053
01:24:40,470 --> 01:24:38,560
that after making inquiries with the

2054
01:24:42,629 --> 01:24:40,480
various government agencies including

2055
01:24:45,350 --> 01:24:42,639
presumably the defense department they

2056
01:24:47,189 --> 01:24:45,360
responded to a public petition demanding

2057
01:24:49,990 --> 01:24:47,199
to know if there was any kind of

2058
01:24:51,910 --> 01:24:50,000
cover-up about uaps whether the us

2059
01:24:53,669 --> 01:24:51,920
government was in contact with any kind

2060
01:24:55,830 --> 01:24:53,679
of non-human intelligence or whether

2061
01:24:58,709 --> 01:24:55,840
they'd been in touch with

2062
01:24:59,510 --> 01:24:58,719
aliens or some kind of intelligence

2063
01:25:04,870 --> 01:24:59,520
now

2064
01:25:07,270 --> 01:25:04,880
government has been aware for ever since

2065
01:25:09,510 --> 01:25:07,280
at least project blue book but right up

2066
01:25:11,510 --> 01:25:09,520
to the present day

2067
01:25:13,990 --> 01:25:11,520
not only have they been engaging with

2068
01:25:16,310 --> 01:25:14,000
this phenomenon studying it they've been

2069
01:25:17,510 --> 01:25:16,320
trying to bring these objects down

2070
01:25:19,830 --> 01:25:17,520
they've been

2071
01:25:21,110 --> 01:25:19,840
i believe i'm pretty sure trying to

2072
01:25:22,709 --> 01:25:21,120
shoot them down

2073
01:25:24,709 --> 01:25:22,719
i noticed they denied that in that

2074
01:25:26,550 --> 01:25:24,719
hearing before the congress

2075
01:25:28,950 --> 01:25:26,560
but the other one the other thing that i

2076
01:25:30,790 --> 01:25:28,960
was really shocked by and i was amazed

2077
01:25:33,430 --> 01:25:30,800
they took this position

2078
01:25:36,390 --> 01:25:33,440
was when the question was asked about

2079
01:25:38,870 --> 01:25:36,400
retrieved technology

2080
01:25:41,590 --> 01:25:38,880
and again it comes it came from mike

2081
01:25:43,669 --> 01:25:41,600
gallagher and it was a very clumsily

2082
01:25:47,430 --> 01:25:43,679
asked question but he said okay are you

2083
01:25:50,709 --> 01:25:47,440
aware of any other dod or dod contract

2084
01:25:53,430 --> 01:25:50,719
programs focused on uap from a

2085
01:25:56,310 --> 01:25:53,440
technological engineering perspective

2086
01:25:58,390 --> 01:25:56,320
by that i mean are you aware of any

2087
01:26:00,709 --> 01:25:58,400
technology initiatives focused on this

2088
01:26:03,990 --> 01:26:00,719
topic other than initiatives focused on

2089
01:26:05,910 --> 01:26:04,000
the individual case investigation events

2090
01:26:08,709 --> 01:26:05,920
scott bray answered

2091
01:26:11,110 --> 01:26:08,719
i'm not aware of any contractual

2092
01:26:12,550 --> 01:26:11,120
programs that are focused on anything

2093
01:26:15,270 --> 01:26:12,560
related to this other than what we're

2094
01:26:17,110 --> 01:26:15,280
doing in the navy task force

2095
01:26:18,629 --> 01:26:17,120
and and how about moultrie's answer to

2096
01:26:21,270 --> 01:26:18,639
that

2097
01:26:26,550 --> 01:26:23,430
he said uh well you know

2098
01:26:28,550 --> 01:26:26,560
i we would only know about contracts uh

2099
01:26:31,270 --> 01:26:28,560
because there could be arrangements with

2100
01:26:33,510 --> 01:26:31,280
people without contracts that have an

2101
01:26:35,510 --> 01:26:33,520
interest in this subject and let's go

2102
01:26:38,709 --> 01:26:35,520
back to the wilson document for a moment

2103
01:26:40,550 --> 01:26:38,719
jimmy because the explicit allegation in

2104
01:26:41,669 --> 01:26:40,560
the wilson document

2105
01:26:44,229 --> 01:26:41,679
is that

2106
01:26:46,629 --> 01:26:44,239
very early on at a time when the u.s

2107
01:26:48,390 --> 01:26:46,639
government became aware that the

2108
01:26:50,950 --> 01:26:48,400
department of energy where this

2109
01:26:53,110 --> 01:26:50,960
allegedly was hidden was going to become

2110
01:26:56,550 --> 01:26:53,120
the subject of foi freedom of

2111
01:26:59,750 --> 01:26:56,560
information laws a decision was made to

2112
01:27:01,270 --> 01:26:59,760
hand over this technology to private

2113
01:27:04,550 --> 01:27:01,280
aerospace

2114
01:27:07,270 --> 01:27:04,560
and it may very well be that there is no

2115
01:27:09,430 --> 01:27:07,280
official contractual or programmatic

2116
01:27:11,510 --> 01:27:09,440
effort that is underway

2117
01:27:13,270 --> 01:27:11,520
but how hard would it have been for a

2118
01:27:15,189 --> 01:27:13,280
representative of the us

2119
01:27:18,950 --> 01:27:15,199
congress to ask a representative of the

2120
01:27:22,229 --> 01:27:18,960
u.s military listen let's cut the bs

2121
01:27:25,030 --> 01:27:22,239
are you aware of any technology that is

2122
01:27:27,830 --> 01:27:25,040
not human technology held either by the

2123
01:27:31,110 --> 01:27:27,840
u.s government or by any u.s government

2124
01:27:34,229 --> 01:27:31,120
agency or by any aerospace defense

2125
01:27:36,070 --> 01:27:34,239
contractor or any private institution

2126
01:27:38,070 --> 01:27:36,080
period period

2127
01:27:39,430 --> 01:27:38,080
answer that question you know who should

2128
01:27:41,270 --> 01:27:39,440
uh

2129
01:27:46,709 --> 01:27:41,280
bill richardson

2130
01:27:49,910 --> 01:27:46,719
witness to bring forward because not

2131
01:27:51,030 --> 01:27:49,920
only uh is he representative out of new

2132
01:27:53,669 --> 01:27:51,040
mexico

2133
01:27:56,070 --> 01:27:53,679
right and and roswell and asked for

2134
01:27:57,270 --> 01:27:56,080
information on this but he went on to

2135
01:27:59,669 --> 01:27:57,280
head

2136
01:28:02,790 --> 01:27:59,679
the department of energy

2137
01:28:05,189 --> 01:28:02,800
and wouldn't he be the right guy to put

2138
01:28:06,070 --> 01:28:05,199
forward and i think you know what i like

2139
01:28:08,310 --> 01:28:06,080
bill

2140
01:28:12,390 --> 01:28:08,320
i think i think at this point in his

2141
01:28:13,910 --> 01:28:12,400
life he may uh he may uh he may open up

2142
01:28:14,950 --> 01:28:13,920
about this i think he has something to

2143
01:28:16,950 --> 01:28:14,960
say

2144
01:28:19,110 --> 01:28:16,960
i hope so and i i certainly hope people

2145
01:28:20,629 --> 01:28:19,120
like that are called and it's funny

2146
01:28:22,310 --> 01:28:20,639
because i noticed gallagher came back

2147
01:28:24,470 --> 01:28:22,320
with the question a second time and he

2148
01:28:26,870 --> 01:28:24,480
said just to confirm you're not aware of

2149
01:28:28,790 --> 01:28:26,880
any technology or any energy energy

2150
01:28:30,470 --> 01:28:28,800
engineering resources that have been

2151
01:28:32,709 --> 01:28:30,480
focused on these efforts beside what

2152
01:28:35,350 --> 01:28:32,719
we've mentioned today

2153
01:28:39,030 --> 01:28:35,360
and then again mr bray said

2154
01:28:40,950 --> 01:28:39,040
once again i'll say no contractual or

2155
01:28:43,189 --> 01:28:40,960
programmatic efforts

2156
01:28:45,510 --> 01:28:43,199
what the hell does that mean

2157
01:28:47,110 --> 01:28:45,520
why didn't mike gallagher or any of the

2158
01:28:49,270 --> 01:28:47,120
congressional committee come back and

2159
01:28:52,070 --> 01:28:49,280
say hey listen let's just cut the bs for

2160
01:28:55,750 --> 01:28:52,080
a moment what the public wants to know

2161
01:28:59,110 --> 01:28:55,760
are you hiding non-human technology

2162
01:29:01,590 --> 01:28:59,120
anywhere either in the government or out

2163
01:29:04,229 --> 01:29:01,600
can you categorically deny that you know

2164
01:29:06,629 --> 01:29:04,239
about recovered technology

2165
01:29:09,510 --> 01:29:06,639
why was that question so hard

2166
01:29:10,870 --> 01:29:09,520
it's the easiest question it's the

2167
01:29:13,669 --> 01:29:10,880
absolutely let's take our break right

2168
01:29:16,149 --> 01:29:13,679
here ross so much to cover tonight and i

2169
01:29:18,390 --> 01:29:16,159
promise everybody i will try to get it

2170
01:29:19,750 --> 01:29:18,400
all in ross and i knew coming into the

2171
01:29:21,830 --> 01:29:19,760
show tonight we're going to run out of

2172
01:29:23,750 --> 01:29:21,840
time but we're going to make it happen

2173
01:29:26,229 --> 01:29:23,760
this is fade to black i am your host

2174
01:29:28,950 --> 01:29:26,239
jimmy church tonight live from australia

2175
01:29:31,430 --> 01:29:28,960
ross colvar we are discussing the ufo

2176
01:29:33,430 --> 01:29:31,440
hearing may 17th on capitol hill stay

2177
01:29:35,230 --> 01:29:33,440
with us we'll be right back after this

2178
01:29:46,390 --> 01:29:35,240
short break

2179
01:29:49,590 --> 01:29:46,400
[Music]

2180
01:29:54,390 --> 01:29:49,600
way out here we listen to jimmy church

2181
01:29:58,070 --> 01:29:56,550
you're listening to jimmy church and

2182
01:30:03,150 --> 01:29:58,080
fade to black

2183
01:30:03,160 --> 01:30:12,710
[Applause]

2184
01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:16,470
[Music]

2185
01:30:22,790 --> 01:30:18,390
this is jimmy church of fade to black

2186
01:30:25,590 --> 01:30:22,800
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2187
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2188
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2197
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01:31:29,189 --> 01:31:26,480
do you want to be an official fate or

2210
01:31:31,430 --> 01:31:29,199
not of course you do this is jimmy

2211
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churchill fade to black just go to our

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2214
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vader knots when you think about the

2215
01:31:40,870 --> 01:31:38,960
future of our country and where we're

2216
01:31:43,990 --> 01:31:40,880
headed do you wonder about the food

2217
01:31:46,149 --> 01:31:44,000
supply i do disruptions in the food

2218
01:31:48,950 --> 01:31:46,159
supply chain could be disastrous and

2219
01:31:50,950 --> 01:31:48,960
they usually occur with little warning

2220
01:31:53,910 --> 01:31:50,960
that's why the smartest thing you can do

2221
01:31:56,950 --> 01:31:53,920
today is to stockpile emergency food

2222
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water and other essentials i personally

2223
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[Music]

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01:34:08,790 --> 01:34:04,590
hey

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01:34:08,800 --> 01:34:14,110
[Applause]

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01:34:18,390 --> 01:34:16,790
[Music]

2260
01:34:19,910 --> 01:34:18,400
welcome back fade to black i am your

2261
01:34:23,430 --> 01:34:19,920
host jimmy church tonight live from

2262
01:34:29,189 --> 01:34:23,440
australia ross colthardt is with us

2263
01:34:35,510 --> 01:34:33,270
this is the deal ross quickly has become

2264
01:34:36,950 --> 01:34:35,520
uh one of the faces that represent this

2265
01:34:39,110 --> 01:34:36,960
community ross and i want to thank you

2266
01:34:42,390 --> 01:34:39,120
for that but i also want to tell the

2267
01:34:44,310 --> 01:34:42,400
audience uh how cool ross is he doesn't

2268
01:34:46,790 --> 01:34:44,320
talk about this a lot but

2269
01:34:49,430 --> 01:34:46,800
ross was also the lead singer for a

2270
01:34:53,910 --> 01:34:49,440
heavy metal band back in the 80s

2271
01:34:56,149 --> 01:34:53,920
and i've got pictures uh ross so uh i

2272
01:34:57,430 --> 01:34:56,159
will hold you to the fire on that one

2273
01:35:00,229 --> 01:34:57,440
but uh

2274
01:35:01,510 --> 01:35:00,239
i just want to thank you uh uh the the

2275
01:35:05,510 --> 01:35:01,520
community

2276
01:35:07,669 --> 01:35:05,520
uh has uh generated enormous respect uh

2277
01:35:09,990 --> 01:35:07,679
for you and your position on this and

2278
01:35:11,990 --> 01:35:10,000
it's not easy in in the in the world of

2279
01:35:14,149 --> 01:35:12,000
journalism uh to

2280
01:35:15,430 --> 01:35:14,159
to dig your heels in on the subject as

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01:35:16,470 --> 01:35:15,440
sensitive as

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01:35:18,470 --> 01:35:16,480
as

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01:35:20,709 --> 01:35:18,480
the ufo enigma and what what actually

2284
01:35:21,590 --> 01:35:20,719
may be going on so thank you for that

2285
01:35:25,189 --> 01:35:21,600
thank you

2286
01:35:28,629 --> 01:35:25,199
and now uh i i want to

2287
01:35:30,550 --> 01:35:28,639
go a little post post hearing and i want

2288
01:35:33,189 --> 01:35:30,560
to get to the comments

2289
01:35:34,310 --> 01:35:33,199
from representative burchette

2290
01:35:36,870 --> 01:35:34,320
and

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01:35:38,550 --> 01:35:36,880
considering that he's an elected

2292
01:35:40,550 --> 01:35:38,560
official

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01:35:42,149 --> 01:35:40,560
but he wasn't a part of the committee he

2294
01:35:43,510 --> 01:35:42,159
was an audience member he was an

2295
01:35:45,669 --> 01:35:43,520
attendee

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01:35:46,950 --> 01:35:45,679
and a post hearing he gets in front of

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01:35:47,830 --> 01:35:46,960
the camera

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01:35:56,390 --> 01:35:47,840
and

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01:35:59,030 --> 01:35:56,400
you i'm not pointing at you

2300
01:36:00,629 --> 01:35:59,040
he apologized that's how angry he was

2301
01:36:03,430 --> 01:36:00,639
but he said

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01:36:04,709 --> 01:36:03,440
um and i have to paraphrase a little bit

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01:36:07,189 --> 01:36:04,719
but

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01:36:09,030 --> 01:36:07,199
i think the direct quote was something

2305
01:36:11,430 --> 01:36:09,040
similar to

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01:36:13,189 --> 01:36:11,440
this is a cover-up

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01:36:15,109 --> 01:36:13,199
by our

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01:36:17,510 --> 01:36:15,119
u.s government

2309
01:36:20,229 --> 01:36:17,520
this is deception and the american

2310
01:36:22,390 --> 01:36:20,239
people need to know the truth

2311
01:36:25,669 --> 01:36:22,400
this hearing was a sham and this

2312
01:36:28,149 --> 01:36:25,679
cover-up to end now that was a pretty

2313
01:36:30,629 --> 01:36:28,159
direct statement from an elected

2314
01:36:32,629 --> 01:36:30,639
official and were you surprised by

2315
01:36:34,310 --> 01:36:32,639
burchette's comments

2316
01:36:36,629 --> 01:36:34,320
uh no i wasn't surprised i've had

2317
01:36:38,950 --> 01:36:36,639
similar conversations with other

2318
01:36:40,310 --> 01:36:38,960
congressmen congress women

2319
01:36:42,470 --> 01:36:40,320
and senators

2320
01:36:44,550 --> 01:36:42,480
i think there is a view on the congress

2321
01:36:46,629 --> 01:36:44,560
that they've been lied to

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01:36:48,790 --> 01:36:46,639
that they've been misled

2323
01:36:50,629 --> 01:36:48,800
look and look frankly

2324
01:36:51,590 --> 01:36:50,639
this is the thing that annoys me jimmy

2325
01:36:53,270 --> 01:36:51,600
is

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01:36:54,709 --> 01:36:53,280
as you rightly observe it's quite

2327
01:36:57,270 --> 01:36:54,719
difficult being a member of the

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01:36:59,109 --> 01:36:57,280
mainstream media i'm an investigative

2329
01:37:01,430 --> 01:36:59,119
journalist who's worked for over 35

2330
01:37:03,830 --> 01:37:01,440
years covering stories i've done a lot

2331
01:37:06,550 --> 01:37:03,840
of very serious investigations into

2332
01:37:08,790 --> 01:37:06,560
terrorism national security issues

2333
01:37:11,510 --> 01:37:08,800
political corruption

2334
01:37:14,709 --> 01:37:11,520
i know how bureaucracies operate i i

2335
01:37:17,189 --> 01:37:14,719
know how government bureaucrats react

2336
01:37:19,910 --> 01:37:17,199
when they're confronted with misfeasance

2337
01:37:21,910 --> 01:37:19,920
or impropriety or worse corruption in

2338
01:37:23,430 --> 01:37:21,920
their administration

2339
01:37:25,910 --> 01:37:23,440
and

2340
01:37:27,270 --> 01:37:25,920
the simple fact is it's on the public

2341
01:37:30,310 --> 01:37:27,280
record now

2342
01:37:33,030 --> 01:37:30,320
there's been so many files declassified

2343
01:37:34,390 --> 01:37:33,040
so much information released i when i

2344
01:37:37,030 --> 01:37:34,400
was writing my book

2345
01:37:39,750 --> 01:37:37,040
i was gobsmacked at what under the

2346
01:37:43,030 --> 01:37:39,760
clinton administration the cia was

2347
01:37:46,310 --> 01:37:43,040
forced to reveal from its own archives

2348
01:37:48,950 --> 01:37:46,320
of what it knew about the phenomenon and

2349
01:37:51,189 --> 01:37:48,960
the work that it had done not only into

2350
01:37:52,870 --> 01:37:51,199
the phenomenon but also what's politely

2351
01:37:54,950 --> 01:37:52,880
and dismissively often referred to as

2352
01:37:58,149 --> 01:37:54,960
the paranormal

2353
01:38:00,709 --> 01:37:58,159
it's quite clear that there is um a body

2354
01:38:03,030 --> 01:38:00,719
of thought inside the defence national

2355
01:38:04,790 --> 01:38:03,040
security establishment of the united

2356
01:38:07,430 --> 01:38:04,800
states and i've informed myself by

2357
01:38:10,229 --> 01:38:07,440
talking to people directly about this

2358
01:38:13,750 --> 01:38:10,239
that takes this phenomenon very

2359
01:38:14,709 --> 01:38:13,760
very seriously and yet for much of the

2360
01:38:17,510 --> 01:38:14,719
last

2361
01:38:19,510 --> 01:38:17,520
let's say since the end of the robertson

2362
01:38:21,590 --> 01:38:19,520
panel in the early 50s

2363
01:38:24,390 --> 01:38:21,600
there's been a deliberate and this is

2364
01:38:26,790 --> 01:38:24,400
articulated it's actually expressly

2365
01:38:29,030 --> 01:38:26,800
stated in documents that are

2366
01:38:31,750 --> 01:38:29,040
declassified from your government's

2367
01:38:35,109 --> 01:38:31,760
files it shows that a deliberate

2368
01:38:37,510 --> 01:38:35,119
decision was taken by officials in your

2369
01:38:39,910 --> 01:38:37,520
government mainly in the cia and the u.s

2370
01:38:43,030 --> 01:38:39,920
air force to ridicule

2371
01:38:44,629 --> 01:38:43,040
stigmatize the subject to let's call it

2372
01:38:48,149 --> 01:38:44,639
for what it is

2373
01:38:52,310 --> 01:38:48,159
mislead the american public the public

2374
01:38:55,750 --> 01:38:52,320
was told that ufos uaps are a subject to

2375
01:38:58,870 --> 01:38:55,760
be ridiculed attacked mocked

2376
01:39:00,390 --> 01:38:58,880
most of all never taken seriously

2377
01:39:03,270 --> 01:39:00,400
when all along

2378
01:39:05,430 --> 01:39:03,280
this fiction that has been maintained

2379
01:39:08,229 --> 01:39:05,440
that the us government doesn't regard

2380
01:39:10,390 --> 01:39:08,239
uaps as an issue of national security or

2381
01:39:12,629 --> 01:39:10,400
a threat to flight safety

2382
01:39:15,830 --> 01:39:12,639
it was blown out of the water by the

2383
01:39:18,070 --> 01:39:15,840
admissions made by the uap task force

2384
01:39:20,390 --> 01:39:18,080
and by the quite courageous statements

2385
01:39:22,390 --> 01:39:20,400
made by people like christopher mellon

2386
01:39:24,790 --> 01:39:22,400
the former deputy assistant secretary of

2387
01:39:26,950 --> 01:39:24,800
defense louis lozando the former head of

2388
01:39:29,030 --> 01:39:26,960
the pentagon ufo program

2389
01:39:31,990 --> 01:39:29,040
and many other witnesses who've come

2390
01:39:35,189 --> 01:39:32,000
forward who've basically stated this is

2391
01:39:36,149 --> 01:39:35,199
real this is a national security concern

2392
01:39:42,629 --> 01:39:36,159
it is

2393
01:39:43,990 --> 01:39:42,639
so why why have we been misled the way

2394
01:39:46,550 --> 01:39:44,000
we have been

2395
01:39:49,430 --> 01:39:46,560
if there's nothing to hide why have they

2396
01:39:50,709 --> 01:39:49,440
gone to such incredible lengths to

2397
01:39:52,470 --> 01:39:50,719
conceal

2398
01:39:54,390 --> 01:39:52,480
what they know and why are they still

2399
01:39:56,229 --> 01:39:54,400
doing it like why did these two

2400
01:39:58,950 --> 01:39:56,239
officials get before the congress last

2401
01:40:02,070 --> 01:39:58,960
week and i think leave the audience with

2402
01:40:04,390 --> 01:40:02,080
the very firm opinion that look

2403
01:40:06,830 --> 01:40:04,400
it's only a matter of time these are

2404
01:40:09,669 --> 01:40:06,840
probably drones it can probably

2405
01:40:11,270 --> 01:40:09,679
pre-process explained leave it with us

2406
01:40:13,350 --> 01:40:11,280
you know we're competent military

2407
01:40:15,750 --> 01:40:13,360
officials we've got a task force

2408
01:40:17,990 --> 01:40:15,760
underway don't worry everything's all

2409
01:40:20,470 --> 01:40:18,000
right nothing to worry about don't worry

2410
01:40:22,229 --> 01:40:20,480
your tiny little heads go away we'll

2411
01:40:23,910 --> 01:40:22,239
deal with this in private hearings

2412
01:40:26,870 --> 01:40:23,920
because there are sources means and

2413
01:40:29,510 --> 01:40:26,880
methods that we can't reveal

2414
01:40:30,550 --> 01:40:29,520
frankly we're way past that now you know

2415
01:40:33,750 --> 01:40:30,560
you've got

2416
01:40:36,310 --> 01:40:33,760
pilots like dave fraver alex dietrich

2417
01:40:39,430 --> 01:40:36,320
who bravely came forward and risked

2418
01:40:42,070 --> 01:40:39,440
their reputations by speaking publicly

2419
01:40:45,510 --> 01:40:42,080
definitively about what they saw

2420
01:40:48,149 --> 01:40:45,520
they state they saw an object with no

2421
01:40:50,790 --> 01:40:48,159
visible propulsion system doing

2422
01:40:52,229 --> 01:40:50,800
hypersonic maneuvers instantaneous

2423
01:40:53,990 --> 01:40:52,239
velocity

2424
01:40:55,669 --> 01:40:54,000
deploying stealth

2425
01:40:57,830 --> 01:40:55,679
showing clearly some kind of

2426
01:40:59,830 --> 01:40:57,840
psychotronic ability to actually know

2427
01:41:01,669 --> 01:40:59,840
where their cap point was so that they

2428
01:41:04,229 --> 01:41:01,679
could maneuver to that cap point before

2429
01:41:06,470 --> 01:41:04,239
they even flew there

2430
01:41:08,870 --> 01:41:06,480
something intelligent was just

2431
01:41:11,910 --> 01:41:08,880
demonstrating a capacity

2432
01:41:14,709 --> 01:41:11,920
far beyond known human technology

2433
01:41:16,709 --> 01:41:14,719
and i'm not a pentagon security planner

2434
01:41:18,470 --> 01:41:16,719
i thank god i'm not responsible for

2435
01:41:20,070 --> 01:41:18,480
trying to defend your country against

2436
01:41:21,430 --> 01:41:20,080
the threats that you face or that my

2437
01:41:23,590 --> 01:41:21,440
country faces

2438
01:41:25,830 --> 01:41:23,600
and i hand my i hold my head out i

2439
01:41:28,149 --> 01:41:25,840
really admire the service men and women

2440
01:41:30,149 --> 01:41:28,159
who do this particularly the officials

2441
01:41:32,310 --> 01:41:30,159
at the top end of your pentagon and my

2442
01:41:33,750 --> 01:41:32,320
intelligence services it's a hell of a

2443
01:41:37,270 --> 01:41:33,760
job

2444
01:41:39,750 --> 01:41:37,280
but for the fiction to be maintained

2445
01:41:41,750 --> 01:41:39,760
still before the congress that this is

2446
01:41:44,149 --> 01:41:41,760
something that can perhaps be

2447
01:41:46,629 --> 01:41:44,159
prosaically explained don't worry your

2448
01:41:49,109 --> 01:41:46,639
tiny little heads about it we're way

2449
01:41:53,669 --> 01:41:49,119
past that now and i can tell you there

2450
01:41:56,070 --> 01:41:53,679
is a rapacious hunger a demand from

2451
01:41:58,149 --> 01:41:56,080
congressman congresswoman senators to

2452
01:42:01,189 --> 01:41:58,159
get to the bottom of this because

2453
01:42:03,669 --> 01:42:01,199
frankly they know they've been lied to

2454
01:42:05,270 --> 01:42:03,679
and and i don't often call it as a

2455
01:42:07,430 --> 01:42:05,280
journalist that something's been a

2456
01:42:09,750 --> 01:42:07,440
conspiracy because we're taught as

2457
01:42:12,790 --> 01:42:09,760
investigators not to believe in

2458
01:42:15,109 --> 01:42:12,800
conspiracies normally it's a screw-up

2459
01:42:17,350 --> 01:42:15,119
but i think that a decision was made

2460
01:42:19,910 --> 01:42:17,360
during the cold war

2461
01:42:22,310 --> 01:42:19,920
that for a national security reason they

2462
01:42:24,470 --> 01:42:22,320
decided not to reveal the full extent of

2463
01:42:27,350 --> 01:42:24,480
what the us government knows

2464
01:42:29,669 --> 01:42:27,360
and i know because i'm talking to them

2465
01:42:31,910 --> 01:42:29,679
there is a faction inside the u.s

2466
01:42:33,350 --> 01:42:31,920
defense and intelligence community

2467
01:42:36,629 --> 01:42:33,360
that wants you

2468
01:42:39,270 --> 01:42:36,639
all of us to know the truth well that's

2469
01:42:41,990 --> 01:42:39,280
that's the job of a journalist

2470
01:42:43,590 --> 01:42:42,000
you know and it's in our constitution

2471
01:42:46,950 --> 01:42:43,600
the press the freedom of the press is

2472
01:42:49,350 --> 01:42:46,960
there to put everything else in check

2473
01:42:51,030 --> 01:42:49,360
that's it to ask those questions when i

2474
01:42:53,030 --> 01:42:51,040
was going to school for broadcasting

2475
01:42:55,669 --> 01:42:53,040
ross you're going to laugh at this

2476
01:42:59,590 --> 01:42:55,679
because you've experienced this but i'm

2477
01:43:02,709 --> 01:42:59,600
in school and one of our teachers was uh

2478
01:43:05,510 --> 01:43:02,719
from cnn okay i'm not gonna say who but

2479
01:43:08,870 --> 01:43:05,520
i i said so uh

2480
01:43:11,590 --> 01:43:08,880
what if you had a a story about a ufo

2481
01:43:12,709 --> 01:43:11,600
no no no no no i said no but you know

2482
01:43:15,030 --> 01:43:12,719
you've got photographs you've got a

2483
01:43:16,390 --> 01:43:15,040
video and there's this thing and and

2484
01:43:18,870 --> 01:43:16,400
what do you do do you take it to the

2485
01:43:20,870 --> 01:43:18,880
news director i would never

2486
01:43:24,390 --> 01:43:20,880
i said what do you mean no that's the

2487
01:43:25,270 --> 01:43:24,400
kiss of death in broadcasting

2488
01:43:27,270 --> 01:43:25,280
and

2489
01:43:28,870 --> 01:43:27,280
that that's what i was that that's what

2490
01:43:32,470 --> 01:43:28,880
i'm being instructed

2491
01:43:33,669 --> 01:43:32,480
in school and and that is the broad

2492
01:43:36,470 --> 01:43:33,679
outlook

2493
01:43:38,709 --> 01:43:36,480
and and the stigma behind this not only

2494
01:43:40,470 --> 01:43:38,719
in public but certainly in the world of

2495
01:43:42,550 --> 01:43:40,480
broadcasting where you just can't touch

2496
01:43:45,189 --> 01:43:42,560
this it's a very difficult

2497
01:43:47,669 --> 01:43:45,199
it's a it's a it's a career ender and

2498
01:43:50,070 --> 01:43:47,679
it's a career ender because somebody in

2499
01:43:52,629 --> 01:43:50,080
your government and i suspect also in my

2500
01:43:54,790 --> 01:43:52,639
government made a decision 50 60 70

2501
01:43:56,390 --> 01:43:54,800
years ago to shut it down

2502
01:43:58,470 --> 01:43:56,400
and for no good reason

2503
01:44:01,109 --> 01:43:58,480
because the thing i find fascinating and

2504
01:44:03,830 --> 01:44:01,119
when bryce abel and i do our podcast

2505
01:44:07,830 --> 01:44:03,840
need to know what we try to do is tell

2506
01:44:09,830 --> 01:44:07,840
people why history matters what why it's

2507
01:44:10,870 --> 01:44:09,840
important for people to understand the

2508
01:44:13,910 --> 01:44:10,880
history

2509
01:44:16,790 --> 01:44:13,920
so what many americans don't know is

2510
01:44:19,030 --> 01:44:16,800
we've been here before jimmy we've had

2511
01:44:22,149 --> 01:44:19,040
congressional hearings before

2512
01:44:24,790 --> 01:44:22,159
and the public was dissembled and liked

2513
01:44:27,109 --> 01:44:24,800
to and officials obfuscated and avoided

2514
01:44:29,430 --> 01:44:27,119
questions as they're doing now and they

2515
01:44:31,270 --> 01:44:29,440
got away with it for another 60 years

2516
01:44:32,870 --> 01:44:31,280
and they'll do that again if they can if

2517
01:44:34,950 --> 01:44:32,880
they can get away with it

2518
01:44:37,830 --> 01:44:34,960
and i suspect it's because

2519
01:44:40,550 --> 01:44:37,840
some people in the defense establishment

2520
01:44:42,470 --> 01:44:40,560
know that there's going to have to be a

2521
01:44:44,149 --> 01:44:42,480
reckoning and they don't want to be

2522
01:44:45,109 --> 01:44:44,159
around when that happens

2523
01:44:47,030 --> 01:44:45,119
and

2524
01:44:48,950 --> 01:44:47,040
you know i think it was done possibly

2525
01:44:51,669 --> 01:44:48,960
for the best reasons

2526
01:44:54,310 --> 01:44:51,679
but throughout the 40s and the early 50s

2527
01:44:56,109 --> 01:44:54,320
until roughly the time of the washington

2528
01:44:59,030 --> 01:44:56,119
flyover

2529
01:45:02,390 --> 01:44:59,040
incontrovertibly a historical incident

2530
01:45:05,350 --> 01:45:02,400
that was recorded on radar

2531
01:45:08,950 --> 01:45:05,360
seen by many thousands of people

2532
01:45:11,430 --> 01:45:08,960
anomalous phenomena solid objects moved

2533
01:45:13,590 --> 01:45:11,440
across the sky over washington they

2534
01:45:16,070 --> 01:45:13,600
didn't land on the white house lawn

2535
01:45:18,149 --> 01:45:16,080
but they put on over two weeks one hell

2536
01:45:20,390 --> 01:45:18,159
of a display for the united states

2537
01:45:22,229 --> 01:45:20,400
government and its military

2538
01:45:25,830 --> 01:45:22,239
and i don't think it's any coincidence

2539
01:45:27,510 --> 01:45:25,840
that from that moment on

2540
01:45:29,750 --> 01:45:27,520
things began to change

2541
01:45:31,750 --> 01:45:29,760
a decision was made inside the u.s

2542
01:45:33,750 --> 01:45:31,760
national security establishment to

2543
01:45:37,030 --> 01:45:33,760
essentially shut down this issue from

2544
01:45:38,629 --> 01:45:37,040
public comment and they chose a very

2545
01:45:40,709 --> 01:45:38,639
powerful weapon

2546
01:45:42,550 --> 01:45:40,719
they know that you americans don't like

2547
01:45:44,550 --> 01:45:42,560
being told that you're not allowed to

2548
01:45:47,350 --> 01:45:44,560
know something they know that you're

2549
01:45:49,830 --> 01:45:47,360
very good at digging out secrets

2550
01:45:51,189 --> 01:45:49,840
so they used the most powerful weapon of

2551
01:45:52,550 --> 01:45:51,199
all

2552
01:45:54,070 --> 01:45:52,560
ridicule

2553
01:45:55,990 --> 01:45:54,080
mockery

2554
01:45:58,950 --> 01:45:56,000
and they laughed at it they treated the

2555
01:46:00,310 --> 01:45:58,960
phenomenon with derision derision

2556
01:46:03,030 --> 01:46:00,320
and it worked

2557
01:46:05,189 --> 01:46:03,040
and for much of the last 60 years that's

2558
01:46:07,830 --> 01:46:05,199
how media have treated the subject

2559
01:46:09,430 --> 01:46:07,840
matter i mean i appeared on the network

2560
01:46:11,270 --> 01:46:09,440
that i actually worked for the other day

2561
01:46:12,870 --> 01:46:11,280
on a sunday morning and we had a long

2562
01:46:14,470 --> 01:46:12,880
interview with some good friends of mine

2563
01:46:17,430 --> 01:46:14,480
who do the show

2564
01:46:19,910 --> 01:46:17,440
but the producer behind the scenes

2565
01:46:22,310 --> 01:46:19,920
played x-files music

2566
01:46:23,910 --> 01:46:22,320
and showed you know your classic silly

2567
01:46:25,030 --> 01:46:23,920
looking flying saucers on the screen

2568
01:46:27,910 --> 01:46:25,040
behind

2569
01:46:30,709 --> 01:46:27,920
and what that was is a kind of a code

2570
01:46:33,990 --> 01:46:30,719
that's been used for years in the media

2571
01:46:35,990 --> 01:46:34,000
unconsciously where editors executive

2572
01:46:38,070 --> 01:46:36,000
producers and i've done this i freely

2573
01:46:39,750 --> 01:46:38,080
admit i've done this before i engaged

2574
01:46:40,470 --> 01:46:39,760
with the subject and started researching

2575
01:46:44,070 --> 01:46:40,480
it

2576
01:46:45,750 --> 01:46:44,080
laugh and you'd have this kind of ironic

2577
01:46:47,990 --> 01:46:45,760
smile on your face when you started

2578
01:46:49,750 --> 01:46:48,000
talking about ufos

2579
01:46:53,669 --> 01:46:49,760
and yet jimmy for me

2580
01:46:56,149 --> 01:46:53,679
the turning point in my country was when

2581
01:46:58,550 --> 01:46:56,159
i was doing a story on

2582
01:47:01,350 --> 01:46:58,560
our air force and i wish i could say who

2583
01:47:03,189 --> 01:47:01,360
they were but they were two very very

2584
01:47:04,070 --> 01:47:03,199
senior officers of the australian air

2585
01:47:06,390 --> 01:47:04,080
force

2586
01:47:08,149 --> 01:47:06,400
and we'd been filming with them for a

2587
01:47:09,030 --> 01:47:08,159
day and we were sitting in an office's

2588
01:47:10,550 --> 01:47:09,040
mess

2589
01:47:11,750 --> 01:47:10,560
and they'd asked me to stay and have a

2590
01:47:13,590 --> 01:47:11,760
beer

2591
01:47:14,870 --> 01:47:13,600
and i did and we're sitting there and

2592
01:47:17,270 --> 01:47:14,880
finally

2593
01:47:18,310 --> 01:47:17,280
one of them asked me

2594
01:47:21,830 --> 01:47:18,320
listen

2595
01:47:23,669 --> 01:47:21,840
why don't you chaps do stories about

2596
01:47:25,830 --> 01:47:23,679
and i remember i sat back in my chair

2597
01:47:28,629 --> 01:47:25,840
and i crossed my arms defensively and i

2598
01:47:31,030 --> 01:47:28,639
said ah because they they're [\h__\h]

2599
01:47:32,629 --> 01:47:31,040
your friends are [\h__\h]

2600
01:47:37,990 --> 01:47:32,639
and there was this kind of

2601
01:47:43,189 --> 01:47:41,270
and then in the course of an evening um

2602
01:47:45,590 --> 01:47:43,199
a few more beers were had and

2603
01:47:47,590 --> 01:47:45,600
and a large number of pilots were sort

2604
01:47:49,910 --> 01:47:47,600
of brought to the table and quietly sat

2605
01:47:51,990 --> 01:47:49,920
down in front of me and they started

2606
01:47:54,310 --> 01:47:52,000
talking about incidents that they were

2607
01:47:56,470 --> 01:47:54,320
aware of things that they'd seen and

2608
01:48:00,470 --> 01:47:56,480
probably 90 percent of the people that i

2609
01:48:02,470 --> 01:48:00,480
spoke to had seen anomalous phenomena

2610
01:48:04,790 --> 01:48:02,480
and then i got to know i've done a lot

2611
01:48:06,229 --> 01:48:04,800
of stories on aviation in my career as

2612
01:48:07,910 --> 01:48:06,239
an investigative journalist i love

2613
01:48:10,070 --> 01:48:07,920
following the

2614
01:48:11,109 --> 01:48:10,080
system of investigation of aircraft

2615
01:48:16,149 --> 01:48:11,119
accidents

2616
01:48:17,910 --> 01:48:16,159
and so i've spoken to an enormous lot of

2617
01:48:19,430 --> 01:48:17,920
pilots from different airlines all

2618
01:48:22,310 --> 01:48:19,440
around the world but particularly from

2619
01:48:24,470 --> 01:48:22,320
our airline our national airline qantas

2620
01:48:26,470 --> 01:48:24,480
and socially you're sitting there having

2621
01:48:28,390 --> 01:48:26,480
a beer with a qantas pilot

2622
01:48:32,229 --> 01:48:28,400
and you raise ufos

2623
01:48:33,500 --> 01:48:32,239
the first thing they do is they go

2624
01:48:35,430 --> 01:48:33,510
yeah i've seen one

2625
01:48:37,750 --> 01:48:35,440
[Laughter]

2626
01:48:39,510 --> 01:48:37,760
but they all check first to make sure

2627
01:48:40,950 --> 01:48:39,520
they're having a quiet station and they

2628
01:48:42,149 --> 01:48:40,960
say i'll never i'll never talk about it

2629
01:48:43,590 --> 01:48:42,159
you know i know you're a journal and i

2630
01:48:44,870 --> 01:48:43,600
know you want to get me on camera but no

2631
01:48:46,790 --> 01:48:44,880
i'm never going to talk about it because

2632
01:48:48,870 --> 01:48:46,800
it's a career ender you know i can't

2633
01:48:50,470 --> 01:48:48,880
talk about it and it's not that there's

2634
01:48:52,470 --> 01:48:50,480
some little man sitting in an office

2635
01:48:53,990 --> 01:48:52,480
somewhere going no there's joe blogs

2636
01:48:55,669 --> 01:48:54,000
he's talking to cool tarting against

2637
01:48:57,590 --> 01:48:55,679
ufos again we're going to get him dumped

2638
01:49:00,470 --> 01:48:57,600
from qantas there's no way he can keep

2639
01:49:03,270 --> 01:49:00,480
on flying if he talks about ufos it's

2640
01:49:04,550 --> 01:49:03,280
better than that it's a self-imposed

2641
01:49:07,510 --> 01:49:04,560
censorship

2642
01:49:09,830 --> 01:49:07,520
the person themself is acculturated to

2643
01:49:12,229 --> 01:49:09,840
the idea and it's been done through our

2644
01:49:13,270 --> 01:49:12,239
popular culture through hollywood movies

2645
01:49:16,149 --> 01:49:13,280
through

2646
01:49:18,070 --> 01:49:16,159
fictional retellings we've been told

2647
01:49:19,990 --> 01:49:18,080
let's treat this as a hoot it's all

2648
01:49:21,669 --> 01:49:20,000
rubbish it's all the whack job stuff you

2649
01:49:23,189 --> 01:49:21,679
know you're a tinfoil hat crazy if you

2650
01:49:25,830 --> 01:49:23,199
believe this stuff

2651
01:49:28,790 --> 01:49:25,840
and it's incredibly powerful because i

2652
01:49:30,310 --> 01:49:28,800
felt even those witnesses the slightly

2653
01:49:32,229 --> 01:49:30,320
flippant manner

2654
01:49:33,830 --> 01:49:32,239
the hubris that they demonstrated when

2655
01:49:35,990 --> 01:49:33,840
they sat before the congress the other

2656
01:49:38,229 --> 01:49:36,000
week i didn't think they were taking

2657
01:49:40,550 --> 01:49:38,239
this seriously and i think they were

2658
01:49:41,350 --> 01:49:40,560
they were wrong-footed by the questions

2659
01:49:43,109 --> 01:49:41,360
from

2660
01:49:44,870 --> 01:49:43,119
at least two of the representatives

2661
01:49:46,550 --> 01:49:44,880
gallagher among them who had the

2662
01:49:48,310 --> 01:49:46,560
foresight and the wisdom to actually ask

2663
01:49:50,310 --> 01:49:48,320
some sharp questions

2664
01:49:52,229 --> 01:49:50,320
and as you rightly pointed out one of

2665
01:49:54,550 --> 01:49:52,239
the people on the sidelines champing at

2666
01:49:56,950 --> 01:49:54,560
the bit going by god i want to get in

2667
01:49:58,390 --> 01:49:56,960
there is tim burchard now i don't agree

2668
01:50:00,229 --> 01:49:58,400
with tim burchard about everything he

2669
01:50:02,149 --> 01:50:00,239
says in politics but by golly i'm

2670
01:50:03,189 --> 01:50:02,159
cheering him on with the questions he's

2671
01:50:05,589 --> 01:50:03,199
asking

2672
01:50:07,669 --> 01:50:05,599
because fundamentally

2673
01:50:09,589 --> 01:50:07,679
this is another thing you know

2674
01:50:11,830 --> 01:50:09,599
we're talking on a very important day

2675
01:50:13,430 --> 01:50:11,840
for your country a national memorial day

2676
01:50:15,030 --> 01:50:13,440
where you honor your fallen men and

2677
01:50:16,790 --> 01:50:15,040
women in service

2678
01:50:18,709 --> 01:50:16,800
we have a similar day here in australia

2679
01:50:21,030 --> 01:50:18,719
called anzac day

2680
01:50:22,830 --> 01:50:21,040
and it's a very very solemn day it's the

2681
01:50:25,510 --> 01:50:22,840
most important day in our

2682
01:50:28,310 --> 01:50:25,520
country but these people have died for a

2683
01:50:30,629 --> 01:50:28,320
reason they've sacrificed for a reason

2684
01:50:33,030 --> 01:50:30,639
they've sacrificed for freedom

2685
01:50:35,830 --> 01:50:33,040
they've sacrificed for the freedom most

2686
01:50:38,390 --> 01:50:35,840
of all for republican and democrat

2687
01:50:40,310 --> 01:50:38,400
senators and congressmen to ask hard

2688
01:50:42,629 --> 01:50:40,320
questions in the congress without fear

2689
01:50:46,470 --> 01:50:42,639
or favor to get answers from the

2690
01:50:48,950 --> 01:50:46,480
executive which after all is answerable

2691
01:50:50,790 --> 01:50:48,960
to you the people

2692
01:50:52,229 --> 01:50:50,800
and i just think sometimes our

2693
01:50:54,310 --> 01:50:52,239
governments and our countries have

2694
01:50:57,189 --> 01:50:54,320
forgotten all about this

2695
01:50:59,350 --> 01:50:57,199
we live in representative democracies

2696
01:51:00,950 --> 01:50:59,360
and and the thing that shocks me as a

2697
01:51:02,950 --> 01:51:00,960
journalist and as somebody who i've

2698
01:51:05,189 --> 01:51:02,960
written history books

2699
01:51:07,589 --> 01:51:05,199
i can tell you the history that is

2700
01:51:09,750 --> 01:51:07,599
traced in the archival documents of your

2701
01:51:11,750 --> 01:51:09,760
government and mine

2702
01:51:14,310 --> 01:51:11,760
is a counter factual history to the

2703
01:51:17,430 --> 01:51:14,320
history that we've been told by our

2704
01:51:20,310 --> 01:51:17,440
governments about ufos and uaps

2705
01:51:22,950 --> 01:51:20,320
at the very same time that we've been

2706
01:51:24,790 --> 01:51:22,960
told ah it's all rubbish you know i've

2707
01:51:26,709 --> 01:51:24,800
spoken to politicians and they all sort

2708
01:51:28,470 --> 01:51:26,719
of sit back in their chair and laugh and

2709
01:51:30,229 --> 01:51:28,480
they go you're going to ask me the ufo

2710
01:51:31,669 --> 01:51:30,239
question roscoe you know

2711
01:51:34,310 --> 01:51:31,679
and it's this

2712
01:51:35,990 --> 01:51:34,320
humor this rebold humor that basically

2713
01:51:37,030 --> 01:51:36,000
happens when you raise the subject

2714
01:51:38,470 --> 01:51:37,040
matter

2715
01:51:41,910 --> 01:51:38,480
why

2716
01:51:47,589 --> 01:51:44,550
it's so ingrained you know and they're

2717
01:51:51,430 --> 01:51:47,599
hoping that they can deflect

2718
01:51:53,589 --> 01:51:51,440
and and and on this uh i wanted to ask

2719
01:51:56,470 --> 01:51:53,599
you about this there were some hidden

2720
01:52:00,229 --> 01:51:56,480
gems there were some nuggets in in the

2721
01:52:01,270 --> 01:52:00,239
ufo hearing and one of them came from

2722
01:52:04,229 --> 01:52:01,280
schiff

2723
01:52:08,149 --> 01:52:04,239
chairmanship

2724
01:52:10,950 --> 01:52:08,159
when he said uh what about uh

2725
01:52:14,870 --> 01:52:10,960
in the uap task force report

2726
01:52:18,629 --> 01:52:14,880
um radio frequencies and and energies

2727
01:52:19,510 --> 01:52:18,639
associated with ufos and uaps

2728
01:52:23,350 --> 01:52:19,520
and

2729
01:52:25,350 --> 01:52:23,360
answered

2730
01:52:27,189 --> 01:52:25,360
with something very revealing but

2731
01:52:28,790 --> 01:52:27,199
cryptic at the same time

2732
01:52:30,629 --> 01:52:28,800
that they basically

2733
01:52:32,310 --> 01:52:30,639
they buck passed they said let's talk

2734
01:52:33,270 --> 01:52:32,320
about that in private session i think

2735
01:52:34,070 --> 01:52:33,280
right

2736
01:52:36,070 --> 01:52:34,080
i mean

2737
01:52:38,709 --> 01:52:36,080
and look i know i know for a fact that

2738
01:52:41,589 --> 01:52:38,719
i've spoken publicly about this before

2739
01:52:43,430 --> 01:52:41,599
um i know for a fact that there is

2740
01:52:45,910 --> 01:52:43,440
attempts to track

2741
01:52:48,149 --> 01:52:45,920
and indeed bring down whatever these

2742
01:52:49,910 --> 01:52:48,159
phenomena are

2743
01:52:52,870 --> 01:52:49,920
and they've been using tracking

2744
01:52:55,109 --> 01:52:52,880
technology since at least the 1950s

2745
01:52:57,589 --> 01:52:55,119
they've known the signals that allow

2746
01:52:59,350 --> 01:52:57,599
them to detect and predict where these

2747
01:53:01,430 --> 01:52:59,360
things are going to be

2748
01:53:05,270 --> 01:53:01,440
and uh i'm i'm told this has been

2749
01:53:07,669 --> 01:53:05,280
happening yeah and bray and moultrie um

2750
01:53:10,830 --> 01:53:07,679
uh both stated

2751
01:53:13,589 --> 01:53:10,840
that they were attempting

2752
01:53:15,109 --> 01:53:13,599
communication with uap

2753
01:53:17,669 --> 01:53:15,119
now

2754
01:53:19,589 --> 01:53:17,679
what what what do you that and they

2755
01:53:22,790 --> 01:53:19,599
didn't expand on it

2756
01:53:25,990 --> 01:53:22,800
but it certainly seems to me that either

2757
01:53:29,189 --> 01:53:26,000
they are communicating or they know how

2758
01:53:31,510 --> 01:53:29,199
uap is communicating

2759
01:53:33,669 --> 01:53:31,520
right is is that what you got from that

2760
01:53:35,750 --> 01:53:33,679
statement well look frankly it was as

2761
01:53:37,350 --> 01:53:35,760
clear as mud what they did mean and i

2762
01:53:39,350 --> 01:53:37,360
would have loved to have been a fly on

2763
01:53:42,229 --> 01:53:39,360
the wall in the closed hearing where the

2764
01:53:44,149 --> 01:53:42,239
full answer to the question was given

2765
01:53:46,629 --> 01:53:44,159
but yeah i mean i'd clearly the

2766
01:53:48,629 --> 01:53:46,639
congressman we're on to the issue of

2767
01:53:50,310 --> 01:53:48,639
whether or not

2768
01:53:52,149 --> 01:53:50,320
there's been attempts to communicate

2769
01:53:53,990 --> 01:53:52,159
with these objects and whether or not

2770
01:53:55,990 --> 01:53:54,000
it's possible to track them using

2771
01:53:58,390 --> 01:53:56,000
communications technology

2772
01:53:59,910 --> 01:53:58,400
my understanding and in fact i quote a

2773
01:54:02,070 --> 01:53:59,920
guy who

2774
01:54:04,070 --> 01:54:02,080
very kindly allowed himself to be quoted

2775
01:54:06,070 --> 01:54:04,080
on the record in my book

2776
01:54:07,750 --> 01:54:06,080
he's a former communications specialist

2777
01:54:09,669 --> 01:54:07,760
who was responsible for installing the

2778
01:54:11,990 --> 01:54:09,679
com system in the white house and he's

2779
01:54:14,950 --> 01:54:12,000
got a top secret compartmentalised

2780
01:54:17,589 --> 01:54:14,960
clearance but he told me on the record

2781
01:54:20,830 --> 01:54:17,599
that he was present in an aerospace

2782
01:54:23,189 --> 01:54:20,840
contractor office where he was shown

2783
01:54:25,990 --> 01:54:23,199
technology which showed among other

2784
01:54:27,910 --> 01:54:26,000
things objects maneuvering in front of

2785
01:54:30,550 --> 01:54:27,920
satellites in orbit

2786
01:54:32,950 --> 01:54:30,560
and he was also shown

2787
01:54:35,430 --> 01:54:32,960
and briefed about

2788
01:54:38,470 --> 01:54:35,440
attempts to track objects that were

2789
01:54:40,870 --> 01:54:38,480
coming in and out of the water off

2790
01:54:42,149 --> 01:54:40,880
florida on the southeastern coast of

2791
01:54:44,149 --> 01:54:42,159
your country

2792
01:54:46,550 --> 01:54:44,159
now i know a lot more about that

2793
01:54:48,070 --> 01:54:46,560
incident now but because i actually have

2794
01:54:50,629 --> 01:54:48,080
a respect for your intelligence

2795
01:54:52,390 --> 01:54:50,639
community and i know what's trying to be

2796
01:54:53,990 --> 01:54:52,400
done i don't really want to go into too

2797
01:54:56,950 --> 01:54:54,000
much detail here

2798
01:54:59,350 --> 01:54:56,960
but i i i know there is an active

2799
01:55:00,950 --> 01:54:59,360
program underway and one of the things

2800
01:55:03,750 --> 01:55:00,960
jimmy i did want to have a sort of a bit

2801
01:55:07,270 --> 01:55:03,760
of a rant about today is um there's a

2802
01:55:10,149 --> 01:55:07,280
growing troll twitter troll community

2803
01:55:12,149 --> 01:55:10,159
that has a swipe at people like me

2804
01:55:14,470 --> 01:55:12,159
who confined themselves to what they're

2805
01:55:17,589 --> 01:55:14,480
allowed to talk about by referring to

2806
01:55:18,790 --> 01:55:17,599
confidential anonymous sources

2807
01:55:20,709 --> 01:55:18,800
and a lot of people have been having a

2808
01:55:23,109 --> 01:55:20,719
swipe at me recently saying oh that cool

2809
01:55:24,470 --> 01:55:23,119
tart guy you know keeps on claiming he's

2810
01:55:26,790 --> 01:55:24,480
spoken to such and such a source you

2811
01:55:28,310 --> 01:55:26,800
know why doesn't he just name the source

2812
01:55:30,390 --> 01:55:28,320
and to me it's a fundamental

2813
01:55:32,470 --> 01:55:30,400
misunderstanding of basic investigative

2814
01:55:34,390 --> 01:55:32,480
journalism that's basically defined how

2815
01:55:36,390 --> 01:55:34,400
american journalism operates for much of

2816
01:55:38,950 --> 01:55:36,400
the last hundred years

2817
01:55:41,510 --> 01:55:38,960
confidential sources are part and parcel

2818
01:55:43,910 --> 01:55:41,520
of modern journalism they are essential

2819
01:55:46,790 --> 01:55:43,920
and the reason why is because for people

2820
01:55:49,270 --> 01:55:46,800
to talk to me is arguably in breach of

2821
01:55:52,629 --> 01:55:49,280
the national security oaf there is a

2822
01:55:55,030 --> 01:55:52,639
very very strict constraint on people's

2823
01:55:57,030 --> 01:55:55,040
freedom to talk about this issue

2824
01:55:58,950 --> 01:55:57,040
there are people in the u.s government

2825
01:56:01,910 --> 01:55:58,960
most notably in the u.s air force who

2826
01:56:04,310 --> 01:56:01,920
are trying to shut this issue down

2827
01:56:07,510 --> 01:56:04,320
and that's why this congressional

2828
01:56:09,350 --> 01:56:07,520
hearing is so revolutionary because not

2829
01:56:12,390 --> 01:56:09,360
only are we having public hearings

2830
01:56:14,629 --> 01:56:12,400
they've been private hearings since 2018

2831
01:56:17,030 --> 01:56:14,639
and many of the representatives and

2832
01:56:20,070 --> 01:56:17,040
senators who are now asking questions

2833
01:56:22,470 --> 01:56:20,080
are asking questions informed by what

2834
01:56:25,189 --> 01:56:22,480
they've already seen

2835
01:56:28,310 --> 01:56:25,199
and that's why they're so wound up about

2836
01:56:29,910 --> 01:56:28,320
it because they know stuff you and i

2837
01:56:33,350 --> 01:56:29,920
don't know

2838
01:56:36,470 --> 01:56:33,360
have they pinpointed you can tap tap

2839
01:56:38,470 --> 01:56:36,480
once for yes twice for no

2840
01:56:40,629 --> 01:56:38,480
have they pinpointed that location in

2841
01:56:43,189 --> 01:56:40,639
the atlantic ocean

2842
01:56:44,629 --> 01:56:43,199
uh yes they have yeah yeah i've heard

2843
01:56:46,310 --> 01:56:44,639
the same thing

2844
01:56:47,830 --> 01:56:46,320
yeah and and indeed there are other

2845
01:56:49,510 --> 01:56:47,840
locations all around the world where

2846
01:56:50,790 --> 01:56:49,520
they've witnessed objects coming in and

2847
01:56:52,149 --> 01:56:50,800
out of the sea

2848
01:56:54,149 --> 01:56:52,159
one of the problems and actually got a

2849
01:56:56,310 --> 01:56:54,159
lot of respect for this is

2850
01:57:00,229 --> 01:56:56,320
you know america has as we're now seeing

2851
01:57:02,229 --> 01:57:00,239
in ukraine vastly superior technology to

2852
01:57:03,589 --> 01:57:02,239
russia no matter what the russians say

2853
01:57:05,510 --> 01:57:03,599
and how much they brag about the

2854
01:57:07,510 --> 01:57:05,520
hypersonic missiles

2855
01:57:10,390 --> 01:57:07,520
they are getting

2856
01:57:11,589 --> 01:57:10,400
all mightily embarrassed and tranced

2857
01:57:14,310 --> 01:57:11,599
with

2858
01:57:17,589 --> 01:57:14,320
superior american british and french and

2859
01:57:19,750 --> 01:57:17,599
german technology in ukraine and that's

2860
01:57:21,430 --> 01:57:19,760
a good thing frankly tyranny and

2861
01:57:22,950 --> 01:57:21,440
dictatorships should not be allowed to

2862
01:57:24,870 --> 01:57:22,960
dominate over

2863
01:57:27,270 --> 01:57:24,880
people trying to exercise their rights

2864
01:57:29,430 --> 01:57:27,280
of freedom of choice

2865
01:57:32,310 --> 01:57:29,440
and the interesting thing is that there

2866
01:57:35,030 --> 01:57:32,320
is technology that is being used for the

2867
01:57:37,990 --> 01:57:35,040
detection of underwater objects

2868
01:57:39,669 --> 01:57:38,000
which we use as part of your strategic

2869
01:57:41,510 --> 01:57:39,679
nuclear defense

2870
01:57:42,790 --> 01:57:41,520
that is very very important it's not

2871
01:57:45,109 --> 01:57:42,800
just acoustic

2872
01:57:46,790 --> 01:57:45,119
it's electromagnetic and that's all i

2873
01:57:49,430 --> 01:57:46,800
can say basically

2874
01:57:50,229 --> 01:57:49,440
the us is way ahead of russia on this

2875
01:57:55,910 --> 01:57:50,239
and

2876
01:57:57,270 --> 01:57:55,920
revealed

2877
01:57:59,830 --> 01:57:57,280
but

2878
01:58:02,070 --> 01:57:59,840
it it's real and they do have incredibly

2879
01:58:04,870 --> 01:58:02,080
good data on

2880
01:58:06,550 --> 01:58:04,880
what's being seen underwater

2881
01:58:07,669 --> 01:58:06,560
and

2882
01:58:10,629 --> 01:58:07,679
i know

2883
01:58:12,709 --> 01:58:10,639
because people have told me what's been

2884
01:58:14,390 --> 01:58:12,719
revealed about it i know that certain

2885
01:58:16,310 --> 01:58:14,400
members of congress and senators are

2886
01:58:18,310 --> 01:58:16,320
aware of this

2887
01:58:20,070 --> 01:58:18,320
let's take our break right here and when

2888
01:58:22,229 --> 01:58:20,080
we come back i want to talk a little bit

2889
01:58:25,270 --> 01:58:22,239
about social media

2890
01:58:27,510 --> 01:58:25,280
and what is happening out there i i made

2891
01:58:29,990 --> 01:58:27,520
some comments earlier today the

2892
01:58:32,629 --> 01:58:30,000
beginning of the show ross that it just

2893
01:58:35,030 --> 01:58:32,639
seems like people don't want us to have

2894
01:58:37,669 --> 01:58:35,040
an open conversation about this

2895
01:58:39,990 --> 01:58:37,679
and it has uh

2896
01:58:41,910 --> 01:58:40,000
it's it's become very visible in in

2897
01:58:44,229 --> 01:58:41,920
social media the question is who is

2898
01:58:46,550 --> 01:58:44,239
doing it and why we'll talk about that

2899
01:58:49,109 --> 01:58:46,560
and much more tonight our guest ross

2900
01:58:50,950 --> 01:58:49,119
culfart live from australia

2901
01:58:52,790 --> 01:58:50,960
one segment left i'm going to try to

2902
01:58:53,990 --> 01:58:52,800
squeeze it all in i'm going to do my

2903
01:58:56,390 --> 01:58:54,000
best

2904
01:58:57,990 --> 01:58:56,400
ross colthard from australia this is

2905
01:58:59,350 --> 01:58:58,000
fade to black we'll be right back after

2906
01:59:01,090 --> 01:58:59,360
this short break

2907
01:59:07,030 --> 01:59:01,100
stay with us

2908
01:59:08,390 --> 01:59:07,040
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2909
01:59:14,830 --> 01:59:08,400
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2910
01:59:21,430 --> 01:59:17,270
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2911
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2912
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2913
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2914
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2915
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2916
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2917
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2918
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2919
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2920
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2921
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2924
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2925
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2926
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2927
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2928
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2930
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2931
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2932
02:00:18,390 --> 02:00:15,040
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2933
02:00:24,709 --> 02:00:20,229
this is jimmy churchill fade to black

2934
02:00:27,430 --> 02:00:24,719
and this year june 18 2022

2935
02:00:30,070 --> 02:00:27,440
the disclosure fest foundation presents

2936
02:00:33,589 --> 02:00:30,080
the mass meditation initiative it's

2937
02:00:36,229 --> 02:00:33,599
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2938
02:00:38,629 --> 02:00:36,239
one day only at the los angeles state

2939
02:00:41,830 --> 02:00:38,639
historic park in downtown los angeles

2940
02:00:44,149 --> 02:00:41,840
california right next to chinatown i'm

2941
02:00:46,149 --> 02:00:44,159
hosting the event again this year with

2942
02:00:49,510 --> 02:00:46,159
music performances by

2943
02:00:53,350 --> 02:00:49,520
trevor hall the desert dwellers poor on

2944
02:00:56,950 --> 02:00:53,360
key and many many more on four separate

2945
02:01:00,070 --> 02:00:56,960
stages there's 16 stages in total over

2946
02:01:02,790 --> 02:01:00,080
30 acres in downtown los angeles with

2947
02:01:05,350 --> 02:01:02,800
vendors and tents and presentations and

2948
02:01:07,910 --> 02:01:05,360
workshops with billy carson adam apollo

2949
02:01:10,310 --> 02:01:07,920
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2950
02:01:13,149 --> 02:01:10,320
and david palmer and many many more it's

2951
02:01:14,950 --> 02:01:13,159
all simple to do just go to

2952
02:01:16,709 --> 02:01:14,960
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2953
02:01:18,790 --> 02:01:16,719
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2954
02:01:19,910 --> 02:01:18,800
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2955
02:01:22,210 --> 02:01:19,920
again

2956
02:01:30,110 --> 02:01:22,220
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2957
02:01:30,120 --> 02:01:34,950
[Music]

2958
02:01:40,550 --> 02:01:36,790
you want to know a secret

2959
02:01:43,910 --> 02:01:40,560
i love ponies i really love ponies i'm

2960
02:01:47,589 --> 02:01:45,510
to brush

2961
02:01:54,070 --> 02:01:47,599
why fade to black

2962
02:02:00,000 --> 02:01:56,229
this is fade to black with jimmy church

2963
02:02:12,310 --> 02:02:00,010
on the game changer radio network

2964
02:02:14,149 --> 02:02:12,320
[Music]

2965
02:02:15,830 --> 02:02:14,159
all right welcome back fate to black i

2966
02:02:18,229 --> 02:02:15,840
am your host jimmy church tonight ross

2967
02:02:20,629 --> 02:02:18,239
colfar tomorrow night billy carson

2968
02:02:22,790 --> 02:02:20,639
wednesday night john burroughs

2969
02:02:23,750 --> 02:02:22,800
thursday night is open lines it is fader

2970
02:02:26,229 --> 02:02:23,760
nights

2971
02:02:28,790 --> 02:02:26,239
open lines all night long but tonight

2972
02:02:31,350 --> 02:02:28,800
it's ross culthart uh live from

2973
02:02:34,390 --> 02:02:31,360
australia i'm waiting uh

2974
02:02:35,430 --> 02:02:34,400
uh for ross to come back into the green

2975
02:02:37,910 --> 02:02:35,440
room

2976
02:02:39,189 --> 02:02:37,920
and uh he has

2977
02:02:43,430 --> 02:02:39,199
exhibited

2978
02:02:47,990 --> 02:02:43,440
the stage and uh one of the things that

2979
02:02:50,709 --> 02:02:48,000
i wanted to uh discuss with ross um is

2980
02:02:53,589 --> 02:02:50,719
is what is going on in social media

2981
02:02:56,229 --> 02:02:53,599
and i i just find it very interesting

2982
02:02:58,709 --> 02:02:56,239
how um our community

2983
02:03:01,030 --> 02:02:58,719
uh in general is just an open-minded

2984
02:03:02,709 --> 02:03:01,040
community with it doesn't matter you

2985
02:03:04,550 --> 02:03:02,719
know what you

2986
02:03:05,910 --> 02:03:04,560
uh what you want to talk about what you

2987
02:03:07,990 --> 02:03:05,920
want to discuss or what you've

2988
02:03:09,189 --> 02:03:08,000
experienced everything is on the table i

2989
02:03:12,149 --> 02:03:09,199
had said

2990
02:03:13,350 --> 02:03:12,159
uh years ago it was uh

2991
02:03:16,149 --> 02:03:13,360
um

2992
02:03:18,550 --> 02:03:16,159
uh ross ross is back and let's see i'm

2993
02:03:21,030 --> 02:03:18,560
waiting for headphones on i think i

2994
02:03:23,669 --> 02:03:21,040
think ross uh took a lunch break and uh

2995
02:03:28,390 --> 02:03:23,679
that's what i do yeah you can do that

2996
02:03:31,030 --> 02:03:28,400
um ross one of the things um uh i'm

2997
02:03:32,390 --> 02:03:31,040
just gonna say this really quickly

2998
02:03:35,030 --> 02:03:32,400
probably

2999
02:03:37,510 --> 02:03:35,040
14 years ago 15 years ago i attended my

3000
02:03:41,030 --> 02:03:37,520
first mufon meeting okay

3001
02:03:44,390 --> 02:03:41,040
now i'm doing sports radio at that time

3002
02:03:46,950 --> 02:03:44,400
but uh my interest in in the ufos right

3003
02:03:49,430 --> 02:03:46,960
so i'm there but i've always kept it to

3004
02:03:51,830 --> 02:03:49,440
myself and i go to a move-on meeting and

3005
02:03:54,229 --> 02:03:51,840
i'm standing there ross as i live and

3006
02:03:57,189 --> 02:03:54,239
breathe somebody to the left of me is

3007
02:03:59,270 --> 02:03:57,199
telling me about their bigfoot uh ufo

3008
02:04:01,270 --> 02:03:59,280
encounter somebody in front of me is

3009
02:04:03,430 --> 02:04:01,280
talking about their friend's abduction

3010
02:04:05,030 --> 02:04:03,440
experience uh with some other people

3011
02:04:06,629 --> 02:04:05,040
somebody over here talking about a

3012
02:04:08,870 --> 02:04:06,639
sighting that they had a couple of years

3013
02:04:10,390 --> 02:04:08,880
ago and communicating with and i'm

3014
02:04:12,069 --> 02:04:10,400
thinking to myself man

3015
02:04:14,390 --> 02:04:12,079
these are my people

3016
02:04:16,629 --> 02:04:14,400
right we can sit and have these

3017
02:04:17,510 --> 02:04:16,639
conversation i have been holding it in

3018
02:04:19,830 --> 02:04:17,520
right

3019
02:04:21,990 --> 02:04:19,840
but i can come here and speak freely

3020
02:04:24,550 --> 02:04:22,000
that's what the ufo community is about

3021
02:04:26,629 --> 02:04:24,560
and by and large on social media

3022
02:04:29,510 --> 02:04:26,639
that is what the ufo community is it's

3023
02:04:31,589 --> 02:04:29,520
an open mind everything is allowed to be

3024
02:04:34,229 --> 02:04:31,599
put on the table

3025
02:04:36,069 --> 02:04:34,239
and it seems that lately there's a

3026
02:04:37,990 --> 02:04:36,079
concerted effort

3027
02:04:39,270 --> 02:04:38,000
from those that are not a part of this

3028
02:04:40,069 --> 02:04:39,280
community

3029
02:04:41,750 --> 02:04:40,079
to

3030
02:04:43,350 --> 02:04:41,760
get us arguing

3031
02:04:44,390 --> 02:04:43,360
to get us

3032
02:04:46,069 --> 02:04:44,400
uh

3033
02:04:49,030 --> 02:04:46,079
put on blinders

3034
02:04:52,709 --> 02:04:49,040
to not suddenly not have an open mind

3035
02:04:55,430 --> 02:04:52,719
and and not to trust anybody

3036
02:04:57,990 --> 02:04:55,440
and i find that very very interesting

3037
02:05:01,430 --> 02:04:58,000
what do you think is going on

3038
02:05:03,750 --> 02:05:01,440
i think in part to be honest jimmy it's

3039
02:05:05,589 --> 02:05:03,760
old guard

3040
02:05:06,709 --> 02:05:05,599
people who've enjoyed a dominant

3041
02:05:08,790 --> 02:05:06,719
position

3042
02:05:09,510 --> 02:05:08,800
in

3043
02:05:11,030 --> 02:05:09,520
woo

3044
02:05:14,390 --> 02:05:11,040
ufology

3045
02:05:17,030 --> 02:05:14,400
who are resentful that

3046
02:05:18,790 --> 02:05:17,040
there's now a broader greater interest

3047
02:05:21,189 --> 02:05:18,800
in the subject matter

3048
02:05:23,990 --> 02:05:21,199
and i i won't name names but i think

3049
02:05:25,669 --> 02:05:24,000
some people are trolling for the benefit

3050
02:05:27,030 --> 02:05:25,679
of trolling just to keep themselves

3051
02:05:27,990 --> 02:05:27,040
getting clickbait

3052
02:05:30,629 --> 02:05:28,000
uh

3053
02:05:33,990 --> 02:05:30,639
you know i've been quite struck in

3054
02:05:35,910 --> 02:05:34,000
recent weeks by how

3055
02:05:39,589 --> 02:05:35,920
there's a growing

3056
02:05:42,870 --> 02:05:39,599
number of anonymous twitter accounts

3057
02:05:44,229 --> 02:05:42,880
that are running very much the same line

3058
02:05:45,589 --> 02:05:44,239
pushing

3059
02:05:46,709 --> 02:05:45,599
skepticism

3060
02:05:49,750 --> 02:05:46,719
pushing

3061
02:05:52,310 --> 02:05:49,760
a um you know why is anybody flogging a

3062
02:05:53,750 --> 02:05:52,320
dead horse on this issue you know um you

3063
02:05:56,069 --> 02:05:53,760
know how much longer are they going to

3064
02:05:58,069 --> 02:05:56,079
go go on about this stuff

3065
02:06:00,390 --> 02:05:58,079
somebody's trying to influence the

3066
02:06:04,069 --> 02:06:00,400
narrative and a lot of them are names i

3067
02:06:07,350 --> 02:06:04,079
don't see i mean i i've been quite

3068
02:06:09,830 --> 02:06:07,360
lucky i guess to be able to draw

3069
02:06:12,069 --> 02:06:09,840
a very engaged and interested twitter

3070
02:06:14,790 --> 02:06:12,079
audience on social media

3071
02:06:17,270 --> 02:06:14,800
and particularly through the podcast

3072
02:06:20,390 --> 02:06:17,280
that i'm doing with um my friend bryce

3073
02:06:23,030 --> 02:06:20,400
zabel need to know dot today

3074
02:06:25,750 --> 02:06:23,040
and we're getting a lot of people who

3075
02:06:28,149 --> 02:06:25,760
are for the first time intellectually

3076
02:06:29,589 --> 02:06:28,159
engaged people who tell us they've never

3077
02:06:30,870 --> 02:06:29,599
been interested in this subject matter

3078
02:06:33,430 --> 02:06:30,880
before

3079
02:06:35,270 --> 02:06:33,440
and they're feeling that they can engage

3080
02:06:38,229 --> 02:06:35,280
because what we're trying to do is

3081
02:06:39,750 --> 02:06:38,239
engage with this in a a journalistic way

3082
02:06:41,510 --> 02:06:39,760
like you do you know a rigorous

3083
02:06:44,390 --> 02:06:41,520
journalistic way where you basically

3084
02:06:45,990 --> 02:06:44,400
come in and objectively assist the facts

3085
02:06:48,390 --> 02:06:46,000
one of the things that i've often been

3086
02:06:50,470 --> 02:06:48,400
very impatient about is

3087
02:06:52,629 --> 02:06:50,480
well for example the way that the ufo

3088
02:06:55,109 --> 02:06:52,639
community treated the

3089
02:06:58,390 --> 02:06:55,119
absolute nonsense that that individual

3090
02:06:59,589 --> 02:06:58,400
anjali presented earlier on this and

3091
02:07:01,910 --> 02:06:59,599
last year

3092
02:07:04,310 --> 02:07:01,920
right um i i don't know too much about

3093
02:07:06,629 --> 02:07:04,320
that individual but basically

3094
02:07:08,709 --> 02:07:06,639
uh the moment that i heard their

3095
02:07:11,030 --> 02:07:08,719
assertions about you know

3096
02:07:13,109 --> 02:07:11,040
alien beings hidden inside a mountain

3097
02:07:15,350 --> 02:07:13,119
and going down a tunnel that was dug

3098
02:07:17,189 --> 02:07:15,360
through a hill

3099
02:07:19,109 --> 02:07:17,199
i thought okay well you know give them

3100
02:07:20,870 --> 02:07:19,119
to the benefit of the dart i'll believe

3101
02:07:22,550 --> 02:07:20,880
it when i see it

3102
02:07:25,669 --> 02:07:22,560
but until that point there's absolutely

3103
02:07:26,390 --> 02:07:25,679
no point in giving it fuel giving it air

3104
02:07:28,069 --> 02:07:26,400
because

3105
02:07:29,669 --> 02:07:28,079
one of the problems i think is that

3106
02:07:34,149 --> 02:07:29,679
there's a lot of

3107
02:07:36,069 --> 02:07:34,159
ufo twitter

3108
02:07:38,470 --> 02:07:36,079
who only exist

3109
02:07:39,350 --> 02:07:38,480
because there's something to talk about

3110
02:07:41,270 --> 02:07:39,360
and

3111
02:07:43,030 --> 02:07:41,280
there's an impatience i've i've noticed

3112
02:07:44,870 --> 02:07:43,040
i'm actually you're actually one of the

3113
02:07:47,510 --> 02:07:44,880
last interviews i'm going to be doing

3114
02:07:50,390 --> 02:07:47,520
for quite some time because

3115
02:07:53,189 --> 02:07:50,400
i'm withdrawing from public commentary

3116
02:07:56,069 --> 02:07:53,199
just so i can have the time to start

3117
02:07:58,069 --> 02:07:56,079
addressing the mountain of information

3118
02:07:59,669 --> 02:07:58,079
that i've been getting from people

3119
02:08:01,750 --> 02:07:59,679
i'm still going to be doing my podcast

3120
02:08:03,109 --> 02:08:01,760
with bryce on need to know today but

3121
02:08:06,870 --> 02:08:03,119
we're

3122
02:08:09,109 --> 02:08:06,880
to what we produce

3123
02:08:12,470 --> 02:08:09,119
and this is because frankly

3124
02:08:13,910 --> 02:08:12,480
a lot of ufo twitter is is eating itself

3125
02:08:16,870 --> 02:08:13,920
it's as soon as

3126
02:08:19,270 --> 02:08:16,880
louis lozando does what frankly he's

3127
02:08:21,589 --> 02:08:19,280
achieved which is momentous i mean who

3128
02:08:24,229 --> 02:08:21,599
would have thought three four years ago

3129
02:08:26,069 --> 02:08:24,239
when ttsa first pushed this

3130
02:08:28,709 --> 02:08:26,079
former counterintelligence official onto

3131
02:08:29,990 --> 02:08:28,719
a stage and presented him to the world

3132
02:08:32,149 --> 02:08:30,000
who would have thought that we were

3133
02:08:33,750 --> 02:08:32,159
looking at hearings in the congress

3134
02:08:35,270 --> 02:08:33,760
where officials were being called to

3135
02:08:37,830 --> 02:08:35,280
give evidence

3136
02:08:39,750 --> 02:08:37,840
whatever you think of louis luzondo

3137
02:08:42,069 --> 02:08:39,760
whatever you think of christopher mellon

3138
02:08:45,270 --> 02:08:42,079
that is a momentous achievement

3139
02:08:46,390 --> 02:08:45,280
and by all means exercise skepticism by

3140
02:08:48,470 --> 02:08:46,400
all means

3141
02:08:50,390 --> 02:08:48,480
ask hard questions

3142
02:08:52,390 --> 02:08:50,400
but i mean one of the most specious

3143
02:08:54,709 --> 02:08:52,400
pieces of [\h__\h] i've seen in a long

3144
02:08:57,350 --> 02:08:54,719
time was a a documentary that was put

3145
02:08:59,510 --> 02:08:57,360
out called um who's lou

3146
02:09:02,629 --> 02:08:59,520
and ultimately it was just an attempt at

3147
02:09:04,470 --> 02:09:02,639
a dirt job by somebody who frankly

3148
02:09:07,030 --> 02:09:04,480
postured as an investigative journalist

3149
02:09:09,430 --> 02:09:07,040
presented a huge amount of information

3150
02:09:11,430 --> 02:09:09,440
but behind all the smoke there wasn't

3151
02:09:13,430 --> 02:09:11,440
much fire at all i couldn't see any

3152
02:09:15,189 --> 02:09:13,440
substantive material i watched it and

3153
02:09:17,589 --> 02:09:15,199
sat through what was i think

3154
02:09:18,709 --> 02:09:17,599
interminable two or three hours of

3155
02:09:20,310 --> 02:09:18,719
nonsense

3156
02:09:23,350 --> 02:09:20,320
and essentially what it was was a

3157
02:09:26,149 --> 02:09:23,360
hatchet job on on one person who's done

3158
02:09:29,109 --> 02:09:26,159
a momentous amount to raise public

3159
02:09:31,350 --> 02:09:29,119
awareness about the issue of uaps

3160
02:09:33,510 --> 02:09:31,360
and it's interesting because

3161
02:09:36,149 --> 02:09:33,520
i just wonder whether the ufo community

3162
02:09:37,350 --> 02:09:36,159
realizes what it's doing

3163
02:09:39,910 --> 02:09:37,360
because

3164
02:09:43,189 --> 02:09:39,920
it takes courage for public officials to

3165
02:09:45,109 --> 02:09:43,199
come forward not only is the issue of

3166
02:09:47,030 --> 02:09:45,119
stepping outside the comfort zone of

3167
02:09:49,270 --> 02:09:47,040
your national security oath and speaking

3168
02:09:51,430 --> 02:09:49,280
about things that are probably

3169
02:09:53,189 --> 02:09:51,440
borderline beyond what you should be

3170
02:09:54,870 --> 02:09:53,199
talking about because you've basically

3171
02:09:55,990 --> 02:09:54,880
been working in the secret world for so

3172
02:09:58,629 --> 02:09:56,000
many years

3173
02:10:00,790 --> 02:09:58,639
there's also the issue of engaging on a

3174
02:10:02,550 --> 02:10:00,800
subject that everybody ridicules i felt

3175
02:10:05,109 --> 02:10:02,560
it the same way in the mainstream media

3176
02:10:06,950 --> 02:10:05,119
i've i've copped abuse and denigration

3177
02:10:08,709 --> 02:10:06,960
from colleagues in the mainstream media

3178
02:10:10,629 --> 02:10:08,719
who frankly some of them have actually

3179
02:10:12,470 --> 02:10:10,639
had the decency to ring me and apologize

3180
02:10:14,149 --> 02:10:12,480
in the last few weeks since they've seen

3181
02:10:14,950 --> 02:10:14,159
the hearings before the congress they've

3182
02:10:16,550 --> 02:10:14,960
gone

3183
02:10:18,390 --> 02:10:16,560
actually you know what roscoe this is

3184
02:10:20,709 --> 02:10:18,400
for real this you know you're not just

3185
02:10:22,870 --> 02:10:20,719
making this up this is for real

3186
02:10:25,589 --> 02:10:22,880
but i'm really struck by the fact that

3187
02:10:27,910 --> 02:10:25,599
the community that represents people who

3188
02:10:29,589 --> 02:10:27,920
are engaged and collaborating and

3189
02:10:31,910 --> 02:10:29,599
researching this issue

3190
02:10:34,149 --> 02:10:31,920
by far the vast majority of them are

3191
02:10:35,270 --> 02:10:34,159
people who are intellectually engaged

3192
02:10:38,470 --> 02:10:35,280
interested

3193
02:10:39,750 --> 02:10:38,480
and who welcome a skeptical rejoinder i

3194
02:10:43,350 --> 02:10:39,760
mean for example there's a lot of people

3195
02:10:45,830 --> 02:10:43,360
who keep on attacking mick west who

3196
02:10:47,510 --> 02:10:45,840
sadly i think has strayed a bit close to

3197
02:10:50,149 --> 02:10:47,520
becoming a debunker rather than a

3198
02:10:53,189 --> 02:10:50,159
skeptic in recent weeks but most of the

3199
02:10:56,470 --> 02:10:53,199
time i really admire mick west we need

3200
02:10:58,870 --> 02:10:56,480
people like mick west you need skeptics

3201
02:11:02,069 --> 02:10:58,880
you need a skeptical rejoinder

3202
02:11:04,550 --> 02:11:02,079
we do get things wrong it's easy to

3203
02:11:07,270 --> 02:11:04,560
operate with a conformational bias

3204
02:11:09,669 --> 02:11:07,280
and see patterns that aren't there or

3205
02:11:11,510 --> 02:11:09,679
things that don't quite make sense

3206
02:11:13,430 --> 02:11:11,520
sometimes you've got to have you got to

3207
02:11:14,390 --> 02:11:13,440
be brought back to center

3208
02:11:16,550 --> 02:11:14,400
yeah

3209
02:11:19,350 --> 02:11:16,560
absolutely absolutely

3210
02:11:20,149 --> 02:11:19,360
so so i i really do think you know

3211
02:11:22,870 --> 02:11:20,159
you know

3212
02:11:24,709 --> 02:11:22,880
the vast majority of the community is is

3213
02:11:27,109 --> 02:11:24,719
doing exactly the right thing it's

3214
02:11:28,870 --> 02:11:27,119
embracing and welcoming into it people

3215
02:11:31,030 --> 02:11:28,880
who are coming into the subject matter

3216
02:11:33,350 --> 02:11:31,040
new for the first time and the one thing

3217
02:11:34,629 --> 02:11:33,360
i'm very proud of is

3218
02:11:36,229 --> 02:11:34,639
through a

3219
02:11:38,069 --> 02:11:36,239
community of people that i've made

3220
02:11:40,470 --> 02:11:38,079
friends with you know this facebook

3221
02:11:43,030 --> 02:11:40,480
messenger groups that i belong to

3222
02:11:44,550 --> 02:11:43,040
um i'm sort of subscribing to

3223
02:11:46,390 --> 02:11:44,560
information groups that have been

3224
02:11:47,750 --> 02:11:46,400
incredibly helpful positive and

3225
02:11:49,430 --> 02:11:47,760
collaborative

3226
02:11:51,990 --> 02:11:49,440
they're a wonderful community of

3227
02:11:54,790 --> 02:11:52,000
intelligent people who recognize that

3228
02:11:57,109 --> 02:11:54,800
there is an anomalous phenomena here

3229
02:11:59,109 --> 02:11:57,119
that cannot be ridiculed shouldn't be

3230
02:12:00,629 --> 02:11:59,119
dismissed and should be engaged with and

3231
02:12:02,390 --> 02:12:00,639
investigated

3232
02:12:03,510 --> 02:12:02,400
but at the same time that this is

3233
02:12:06,709 --> 02:12:03,520
happening

3234
02:12:09,750 --> 02:12:06,719
there is this nasty little troll

3235
02:12:11,990 --> 02:12:09,760
audience that is going look at me look

3236
02:12:14,069 --> 02:12:12,000
at me i'm being nasty i'm saying

3237
02:12:16,310 --> 02:12:14,079
horrible things about people because i i

3238
02:12:19,189 --> 02:12:16,320
basically want to stay relevant

3239
02:12:21,669 --> 02:12:19,199
and that frankly is absurd the way they

3240
02:12:24,069 --> 02:12:21,679
can stay relevant is by continuing to

3241
02:12:26,950 --> 02:12:24,079
provide quality analysis

3242
02:12:28,229 --> 02:12:26,960
and doing thorough research

3243
02:12:31,189 --> 02:12:28,239
and

3244
02:12:33,270 --> 02:12:31,199
there is this weird troll audience in

3245
02:12:34,950 --> 02:12:33,280
social media that frankly think it's a

3246
02:12:36,470 --> 02:12:34,960
good idea to

3247
02:12:39,669 --> 02:12:36,480
pull down

3248
02:12:41,990 --> 02:12:39,679
uh people like elizondo for example

3249
02:12:44,470 --> 02:12:42,000
and they they constantly insinuate that

3250
02:12:46,870 --> 02:12:44,480
he's a dark force of the deep state and

3251
02:12:48,470 --> 02:12:46,880
that he's doing some kind of

3252
02:12:50,470 --> 02:12:48,480
dirty work for the government as a

3253
02:12:52,470 --> 02:12:50,480
counterintelligence agent well if you're

3254
02:12:53,510 --> 02:12:52,480
going to make claims like that

3255
02:12:55,270 --> 02:12:53,520
prove it

3256
02:12:56,790 --> 02:12:55,280
give me the evidence i'd love to hear it

3257
02:12:58,470 --> 02:12:56,800
if you think that you've got evidence

3258
02:13:00,229 --> 02:12:58,480
that proves that louis lozando is

3259
02:13:02,470 --> 02:13:00,239
continuing to work as an operative of

3260
02:13:04,310 --> 02:13:02,480
the u.s intelligence community

3261
02:13:06,229 --> 02:13:04,320
then prove it i mean i noticed somebody

3262
02:13:07,430 --> 02:13:06,239
made a big song and dance the other day

3263
02:13:08,310 --> 02:13:07,440
about how

3264
02:13:10,709 --> 02:13:08,320
lou

3265
02:13:11,830 --> 02:13:10,719
was described by daniel sheehan his

3266
02:13:12,950 --> 02:13:11,840
attorney

3267
02:13:15,430 --> 02:13:12,960
as

3268
02:13:18,229 --> 02:13:15,440
continuing to work for u.s space command

3269
02:13:19,910 --> 02:13:18,239
and to advise them on uaps

3270
02:13:21,510 --> 02:13:19,920
and everybody went oh there's the deep

3271
02:13:23,669 --> 02:13:21,520
state yeah there it is that's that's

3272
02:13:26,310 --> 02:13:23,679
your evidence

3273
02:13:28,709 --> 02:13:26,320
what an amazingly good idea for space

3274
02:13:32,149 --> 02:13:28,719
commander to hire louis lozando to

3275
02:13:35,109 --> 02:13:32,159
advise them on uaps i mean [\h__\h] is wrong

3276
02:13:38,149 --> 02:13:35,119
with that i mean seriously ross if they

3277
02:13:39,510 --> 02:13:38,159
contacted you if space contacted you you

3278
02:13:41,589 --> 02:13:39,520
would sign up

3279
02:13:43,830 --> 02:13:41,599
yeah only only if they asked me not to

3280
02:13:45,669 --> 02:13:43,840
sign ndis i mean i'd immediately i

3281
02:13:47,750 --> 02:13:45,679
couldn't help myself jimmy i'd basically

3282
02:13:49,669 --> 02:13:47,760
grab every file i could and run out the

3283
02:13:51,669 --> 02:13:49,679
door with all the videos of strange

3284
02:13:53,109 --> 02:13:51,679
objects around the space shuttle and

3285
02:13:55,589 --> 02:13:53,119
different objects around the space

3286
02:13:57,669 --> 02:13:55,599
station i'd pull every executive in and

3287
02:13:59,270 --> 02:13:57,679
i'd say okay i want the truth and i want

3288
02:14:01,750 --> 02:13:59,280
nothing but the truth

3289
02:14:03,750 --> 02:14:01,760
and the the bottom line is um uh you

3290
02:14:05,589 --> 02:14:03,760
know i'm hoping lou's doing that inside

3291
02:14:07,189 --> 02:14:05,599
space command but i strongly doubt he is

3292
02:14:09,189 --> 02:14:07,199
but isn't it a fantastic thing that

3293
02:14:12,149 --> 02:14:09,199
they're relying on somebody with his

3294
02:14:14,069 --> 02:14:12,159
expertise to give them that advice full

3295
02:14:16,310 --> 02:14:14,079
marks i mean to me

3296
02:14:17,189 --> 02:14:16,320
it represents a level of open-mindedness

3297
02:14:19,270 --> 02:14:17,199
by

3298
02:14:21,189 --> 02:14:19,280
the space command that frankly i'm not

3299
02:14:24,149 --> 02:14:21,199
seeing in other us government agencies

3300
02:14:26,950 --> 02:14:24,159
it's needed if space command space force

3301
02:14:28,709 --> 02:14:26,960
came to jimmy church and said hey you

3302
02:14:30,149 --> 02:14:28,719
just want to have a conversation and we

3303
02:14:31,669 --> 02:14:30,159
need some advice

3304
02:14:33,270 --> 02:14:31,679
can we ask you some questions you want

3305
02:14:34,149 --> 02:14:33,280
to be a consultant

3306
02:14:36,550 --> 02:14:34,159
yeah

3307
02:14:38,629 --> 02:14:36,560
that doesn't make me a chill

3308
02:14:41,910 --> 02:14:38,639
you know that does it yeah

3309
02:14:44,629 --> 02:14:41,920
no absolutely not that that can that

3310
02:14:47,030 --> 02:14:44,639
component of this is exactly what has

3311
02:14:50,550 --> 02:14:47,040
been missing

3312
02:14:52,310 --> 02:14:50,560
it's breathtakingly naive and um you

3313
02:14:53,430 --> 02:14:52,320
know frankly

3314
02:14:55,750 --> 02:14:53,440
uh

3315
02:14:57,830 --> 02:14:55,760
it's clear to me from the research that

3316
02:15:00,229 --> 02:14:57,840
i've done that there are two factions

3317
02:15:02,550 --> 02:15:00,239
operating at the moment inside the

3318
02:15:04,390 --> 02:15:02,560
military industrial establishment of the

3319
02:15:07,030 --> 02:15:04,400
united states

3320
02:15:10,149 --> 02:15:07,040
there are a bunch of mainly religious

3321
02:15:12,310 --> 02:15:10,159
nutters who are evangelical christians

3322
02:15:14,470 --> 02:15:12,320
who think that you and i will be

3323
02:15:16,870 --> 02:15:14,480
offended by the

3324
02:15:18,149 --> 02:15:16,880
what they believe are demonic

3325
02:15:19,990 --> 02:15:18,159
um

3326
02:15:21,990 --> 02:15:20,000
entities that are behind whatever this

3327
02:15:23,910 --> 02:15:22,000
is i've got no idea what they're talking

3328
02:15:26,870 --> 02:15:23,920
about but people have actually said to

3329
02:15:29,109 --> 02:15:26,880
me the large part of this is driven by

3330
02:15:31,270 --> 02:15:29,119
religious convictions particularly

3331
02:15:32,149 --> 02:15:31,280
inside the u.s air force

3332
02:15:33,589 --> 02:15:32,159
and

3333
02:15:35,350 --> 02:15:33,599
it's interesting because when i've

3334
02:15:38,550 --> 02:15:35,360
engaged with people in the u.s air force

3335
02:15:41,030 --> 02:15:38,560
quite often i'm asked are you christian

3336
02:15:43,270 --> 02:15:41,040
and i was raised christian i went

3337
02:15:44,709 --> 02:15:43,280
through boys boarding school in new

3338
02:15:46,470 --> 02:15:44,719
zealand and

3339
02:15:48,229 --> 02:15:46,480
uh you know i think if anything puts you

3340
02:15:49,830 --> 02:15:48,239
off christianity it's being sent through

3341
02:15:52,709 --> 02:15:49,840
boarding school and having to go to

3342
02:15:54,870 --> 02:15:52,719
church every day but no i i have raised

3343
02:15:56,790 --> 02:15:54,880
my children with the morals and the

3344
02:15:59,109 --> 02:15:56,800
beliefs of christian religion and i

3345
02:16:01,350 --> 02:15:59,119
think jesus probably was a real person

3346
02:16:03,510 --> 02:16:01,360
but i don't define the way i see my

3347
02:16:04,390 --> 02:16:03,520
world through a christian

3348
02:16:06,390 --> 02:16:04,400
perspective

3349
02:16:07,669 --> 02:16:06,400
i'm open to all religions and i think a

3350
02:16:09,669 --> 02:16:07,679
lot of them say

3351
02:16:11,510 --> 02:16:09,679
pretty much the same thing

3352
02:16:12,470 --> 02:16:11,520
and isn't it interesting what they do

3353
02:16:15,109 --> 02:16:12,480
say

3354
02:16:17,109 --> 02:16:15,119
because they're all talking about

3355
02:16:18,629 --> 02:16:17,119
a super intelligence that is

3356
02:16:21,030 --> 02:16:18,639
benevolently

3357
02:16:23,270 --> 02:16:21,040
directed towards humanity

3358
02:16:24,470 --> 02:16:23,280
that responds to our entreaties to our

3359
02:16:25,669 --> 02:16:24,480
prayer

3360
02:16:27,750 --> 02:16:25,679
that um

3361
02:16:29,750 --> 02:16:27,760
guides us through our life

3362
02:16:32,549 --> 02:16:29,760
and essentially asks us to maintain a

3363
02:16:33,830 --> 02:16:32,559
kind of a moral character throughout our

3364
02:16:36,150 --> 02:16:33,840
life

3365
02:16:37,750 --> 02:16:36,160
um that has been here and was instigal

3366
02:16:39,669 --> 02:16:37,760
in our creation

3367
02:16:41,190 --> 02:16:39,679
is that vastly different from our

3368
02:16:44,150 --> 02:16:41,200
notions of a

3369
02:16:45,110 --> 02:16:44,160
superhuman alien intelligence

3370
02:16:48,790 --> 02:16:45,120
so

3371
02:16:51,349 --> 02:16:48,800
saying uap possibly may be demonic

3372
02:16:53,270 --> 02:16:51,359
well i'm not no i'm not saying that that

3373
02:16:55,429 --> 02:16:53,280
what i'm saying is that there are people

3374
02:16:58,830 --> 02:16:55,439
in the u.s air force who are principally

3375
02:17:02,070 --> 02:16:58,840
responsible for obstructing

3376
02:17:04,950 --> 02:17:02,080
this i've heard this over and over and

3377
02:17:07,110 --> 02:17:04,960
over again for the last 10 years um it

3378
02:17:08,629 --> 02:17:07,120
this has been a repeated uh statement

3379
02:17:10,950 --> 02:17:08,639
ross before

3380
02:17:12,950 --> 02:17:10,960
can can i change the subject sure well

3381
02:17:15,110 --> 02:17:12,960
not really i'm not changing the subject

3382
02:17:17,270 --> 02:17:15,120
we're still talking ufos

3383
02:17:20,709 --> 02:17:17,280
but but while i've got you here you and

3384
02:17:24,230 --> 02:17:20,719
i have never discussed westall

3385
02:17:27,750 --> 02:17:24,240
uh either privately or or on the show

3386
02:17:29,669 --> 02:17:27,760
um but i have stated so many times over

3387
02:17:31,669 --> 02:17:29,679
the years um

3388
02:17:33,750 --> 02:17:31,679
and now that you're here i can i can

3389
02:17:35,669 --> 02:17:33,760
gloat a little bit i can pat myself on

3390
02:17:37,509 --> 02:17:35,679
the back but i've gone down the list

3391
02:17:38,790 --> 02:17:37,519
right there's this this the

3392
02:17:39,910 --> 02:17:38,800
west all

3393
02:17:42,549 --> 02:17:39,920
right and

3394
02:17:45,830 --> 02:17:42,559
and and it's it's just amazing to me

3395
02:17:48,629 --> 02:17:45,840
that one of the most documented cases

3396
02:17:51,349 --> 02:17:48,639
uh with some of the most witnesses of

3397
02:17:52,549 --> 02:17:51,359
any ufo incident in the history of this

3398
02:17:53,669 --> 02:17:52,559
planet

3399
02:17:56,950 --> 02:17:53,679
happened

3400
02:17:58,669 --> 02:17:56,960
in australia with children

3401
02:18:02,309 --> 02:17:58,679
and i think it's an

3402
02:18:03,509 --> 02:18:02,319
extraordinary event um

3403
02:18:10,950 --> 02:18:03,519
is the

3404
02:18:13,270 --> 02:18:10,960
different than the ufo phenomena in

3405
02:18:15,270 --> 02:18:13,280
general how is it treated there not only

3406
02:18:17,589 --> 02:18:15,280
with the government but with the public

3407
02:18:19,429 --> 02:18:17,599
look it largely disappeared from public

3408
02:18:22,070 --> 02:18:19,439
knowledge for much of the last few

3409
02:18:23,110 --> 02:18:22,080
decades until a brilliant film was made

3410
02:18:24,629 --> 02:18:23,120
about it

3411
02:18:27,190 --> 02:18:24,639
funded with um

3412
02:18:28,950 --> 02:18:27,200
film finance funding from the usa the

3413
02:18:30,309 --> 02:18:28,960
victorian government one of the states

3414
02:18:32,549 --> 02:18:30,319
in this country

3415
02:18:34,389 --> 02:18:32,559
and that film was a slightly quirky film

3416
02:18:35,830 --> 02:18:34,399
but what was powerful about it was that

3417
02:18:38,790 --> 02:18:35,840
if you're talking about

3418
02:18:40,150 --> 02:18:38,800
66 yeah yeah

3419
02:18:41,990 --> 02:18:40,160
it's a brilliant film you can actually

3420
02:18:44,549 --> 02:18:42,000
watch it on youtube i think and it's a

3421
02:18:46,150 --> 02:18:44,559
brilliant movie i recommend it to anyone

3422
02:18:47,509 --> 02:18:46,160
but um

3423
02:18:49,349 --> 02:18:47,519
what really shocked me there's a good

3424
02:18:52,309 --> 02:18:49,359
mate of mine down in melbourne james

3425
02:18:54,469 --> 02:18:52,319
rigney who introduced me to a number of

3426
02:18:57,349 --> 02:18:54,479
these witnesses and we actually went

3427
02:18:59,990 --> 02:18:57,359
back to the football field where the

3428
02:19:01,830 --> 02:19:00,000
incident happened on the 6th of april

3429
02:19:05,110 --> 02:19:01,840
1966

3430
02:19:07,509 --> 02:19:05,120
and we did this on the 55th anniversary

3431
02:19:09,270 --> 02:19:07,519
last year of the sighting

3432
02:19:11,589 --> 02:19:09,280
and i was expecting maybe two or three

3433
02:19:13,990 --> 02:19:11,599
people to turn up but

3434
02:19:15,270 --> 02:19:14,000
heaven blessed them people came from all

3435
02:19:16,790 --> 02:19:15,280
over australia

3436
02:19:19,509 --> 02:19:16,800
because they were still

3437
02:19:21,910 --> 02:19:19,519
so passionate about this subject they

3438
02:19:24,629 --> 02:19:21,920
were so driven by conviction that what

3439
02:19:26,230 --> 02:19:24,639
they saw was something real it was

3440
02:19:28,389 --> 02:19:26,240
something anomalous and that it had

3441
02:19:30,230 --> 02:19:28,399
never been properly explained and they

3442
02:19:32,230 --> 02:19:30,240
were so excited that a member of the

3443
02:19:34,230 --> 02:19:32,240
mainstream media was going to be there

3444
02:19:35,589 --> 02:19:34,240
with his camera crew to take them

3445
02:19:40,549 --> 02:19:35,599
seriously

3446
02:19:42,790 --> 02:19:40,559
was i was actually shocked by the detail

3447
02:19:45,030 --> 02:19:42,800
that these people remembered

3448
02:19:47,990 --> 02:19:45,040
all of them like hundreds of kids

3449
02:19:49,429 --> 02:19:48,000
there's a lovely fella called shane ryan

3450
02:19:51,830 --> 02:19:49,439
in canberra

3451
02:19:53,670 --> 02:19:51,840
who's got a facebook page devoted to the

3452
02:19:56,630 --> 02:19:53,680
west all story

3453
02:19:59,510 --> 02:19:56,640
and shane has personally tracked down

3454
02:20:01,510 --> 02:19:59,520
and interviewed i think over 200

3455
02:20:04,389 --> 02:20:01,520
witnesses to this incident

3456
02:20:06,389 --> 02:20:04,399
we're at 10 30 a.m in the morning bunch

3457
02:20:08,469 --> 02:20:06,399
of little kitties but hundreds of little

3458
02:20:11,429 --> 02:20:08,479
kitties standing on a football field

3459
02:20:15,030 --> 02:20:11,439
they're all about 10 12 they look up and

3460
02:20:18,870 --> 02:20:15,040
they see three lenticular disc shaped

3461
02:20:21,349 --> 02:20:18,880
uaps hovering overhead clearly solid

3462
02:20:22,469 --> 02:20:21,359
clearly mechanical technology of some

3463
02:20:25,030 --> 02:20:22,479
kind

3464
02:20:27,590 --> 02:20:25,040
clearly responding to

3465
02:20:30,070 --> 02:20:27,600
aircraft that are coming towards them

3466
02:20:32,550 --> 02:20:30,080
and as the kids watch as an aircraft

3467
02:20:34,230 --> 02:20:32,560
slowly trundles around the sky and comes

3468
02:20:36,070 --> 02:20:34,240
towards one of the objects they

3469
02:20:37,990 --> 02:20:36,080
literally just go

3470
02:20:39,990 --> 02:20:38,000
and instantaneously move across the sky

3471
02:20:42,790 --> 02:20:40,000
to another point of the sky and they

3472
02:20:45,349 --> 02:20:42,800
watch amazed for minutes as this cat and

3473
02:20:46,790 --> 02:20:45,359
mouse games happening in front of them

3474
02:20:48,230 --> 02:20:46,800
it's two or three hundred feet above

3475
02:20:49,910 --> 02:20:48,240
them in the air

3476
02:20:52,389 --> 02:20:49,920
and then as they watch one of these

3477
02:20:54,790 --> 02:20:52,399
objects descends into an area of

3478
02:20:55,990 --> 02:20:54,800
bushland an area of forest adjacent to

3479
02:20:59,110 --> 02:20:56,000
the school

3480
02:21:01,110 --> 02:20:59,120
and a number of the kids run

3481
02:21:03,349 --> 02:21:01,120
and much to the teachers and annoyance

3482
02:21:05,030 --> 02:21:03,359
they jump the fence and there are

3483
02:21:06,710 --> 02:21:05,040
teachers there who see this happening as

3484
02:21:09,750 --> 02:21:06,720
well one of them is a science teacher

3485
02:21:11,750 --> 02:21:09,760
who i interviewed and he to this day

3486
02:21:14,950 --> 02:21:11,760
remembers this very very clearly he

3487
02:21:17,990 --> 02:21:14,960
remembers seeing a metallic lenticular

3488
02:21:19,510 --> 02:21:18,000
disc-shaped object hovering above him

3489
02:21:22,150 --> 02:21:19,520
and then watching as one of them

3490
02:21:23,990 --> 02:21:22,160
descends in the forest adjacent

3491
02:21:26,150 --> 02:21:24,000
and one of the girls one of the little

3492
02:21:27,830 --> 02:21:26,160
girls who was 10 or 12 at the time is

3493
02:21:29,750 --> 02:21:27,840
now in her 60s

3494
02:21:31,750 --> 02:21:29,760
and two of them corroborate each other

3495
02:21:34,550 --> 02:21:31,760
they describe seeing

3496
02:21:38,630 --> 02:21:34,560
one of these objects close up so hot

3497
02:21:40,870 --> 02:21:38,640
they can feel the heat on their hands

3498
02:21:43,110 --> 02:21:40,880
and she she basically moves towards the

3499
02:21:45,110 --> 02:21:43,120
object and as it as she's moving towards

3500
02:21:49,270 --> 02:21:45,120
it it rises

3501
02:21:51,990 --> 02:21:49,280
tips onto a 45 degree angle and goes

3502
02:21:52,790 --> 02:21:52,000
instantaneous acceleration

3503
02:21:55,110 --> 02:21:52,800
this

3504
02:21:57,590 --> 02:21:55,120
was followed by

3505
02:21:59,990 --> 02:21:57,600
many witnesses saw this a massive

3506
02:22:03,190 --> 02:22:00,000
military operation involving victorian

3507
02:22:05,030 --> 02:22:03,200
police emergency services firemen

3508
02:22:08,550 --> 02:22:05,040
and defence personnel who came in

3509
02:22:11,190 --> 02:22:08,560
including perhaps american personnel

3510
02:22:14,070 --> 02:22:11,200
air force right a massive cleanup of

3511
02:22:15,510 --> 02:22:14,080
this site including a level of soil a

3512
02:22:17,349 --> 02:22:15,520
layer of soil where there were

3513
02:22:19,590 --> 02:22:17,359
indentations in the ground it was

3514
02:22:21,270 --> 02:22:19,600
literally dug up and taken away on

3515
02:22:23,429 --> 02:22:21,280
trucks

3516
02:22:25,510 --> 02:22:23,439
but but jimmy officially this never

3517
02:22:28,630 --> 02:22:25,520
happened right there is there is no

3518
02:22:31,110 --> 02:22:28,640
record anywhere in any government file

3519
02:22:33,030 --> 02:22:31,120
of anything relating to the story the

3520
02:22:36,309 --> 02:22:33,040
only reason we know it happened and we

3521
02:22:38,150 --> 02:22:36,319
know that the media attended is because

3522
02:22:39,429 --> 02:22:38,160
we've spoken to the witnesses who spoke

3523
02:22:41,750 --> 02:22:39,439
to the media

3524
02:22:43,510 --> 02:22:41,760
and i i was working for the tv network

3525
02:22:45,190 --> 02:22:43,520
for a while that allegedly sent a film

3526
02:22:47,349 --> 02:22:45,200
crew out there and we were able to

3527
02:22:48,950 --> 02:22:47,359
confirm that a story was done

3528
02:22:52,230 --> 02:22:48,960
but the stories disappeared from the

3529
02:22:55,670 --> 02:22:52,240
archives it's like somebody went through

3530
02:22:57,750 --> 02:22:55,680
and removed all memory of this incident

3531
02:22:59,990 --> 02:22:57,760
there was one newspaper that covered the

3532
02:23:01,270 --> 02:23:00,000
issue but eventually it was all quietly

3533
02:23:04,389 --> 02:23:01,280
played down

3534
02:23:06,309 --> 02:23:04,399
there was never any official explanation

3535
02:23:08,710 --> 02:23:06,319
for what happened the government has

3536
02:23:12,309 --> 02:23:08,720
never ventured an explanation and

3537
02:23:14,309 --> 02:23:12,319
officially supposedly no report exists

3538
02:23:16,469 --> 02:23:14,319
of what took place but i've now

3539
02:23:18,389 --> 02:23:16,479
confirmed i've actually spoken to a guy

3540
02:23:20,630 --> 02:23:18,399
whose father prepared

3541
02:23:23,429 --> 02:23:20,640
a secret report for a government

3542
02:23:25,590 --> 02:23:23,439
department that investigated this issue

3543
02:23:28,389 --> 02:23:25,600
and and he tells me he's prepared to

3544
02:23:30,550 --> 02:23:28,399
testify to the national archives of

3545
02:23:33,510 --> 02:23:30,560
australia to try and force this report

3546
02:23:35,590 --> 02:23:33,520
to be disclosed and i also tracked down

3547
02:23:36,870 --> 02:23:35,600
and my friend james fox the filmmaker

3548
02:23:38,790 --> 02:23:36,880
spoke to him before me i should

3549
02:23:41,110 --> 02:23:38,800
acknowledge that but he went on the

3550
02:23:43,349 --> 02:23:41,120
record with me and identified himself

3551
02:23:46,230 --> 02:23:43,359
the mass the science master

3552
02:23:49,110 --> 02:23:46,240
he actually said he was challenged on

3553
02:23:51,910 --> 02:23:49,120
his doorstep at his home two weeks after

3554
02:23:54,230 --> 02:23:51,920
the incident and told to shut up about

3555
02:23:57,270 --> 02:23:54,240
what he saw and that if he spoke about

3556
02:23:58,469 --> 02:23:57,280
what he saw he would lose his job as a

3557
02:24:03,670 --> 02:23:58,479
teacher

3558
02:24:06,070 --> 02:24:03,680
and 55 56 years on he still burns with

3559
02:24:09,270 --> 02:24:06,080
anger at the fact that there was very

3560
02:24:11,670 --> 02:24:09,280
clearly a cover-up that took place by

3561
02:24:14,630 --> 02:24:11,680
government officers to stop the public

3562
02:24:15,550 --> 02:24:14,640
from knowing what happened at westall in

3563
02:24:17,270 --> 02:24:15,560
april

3564
02:24:19,429 --> 02:24:17,280
1966

3565
02:24:21,590 --> 02:24:19,439
and years later we're still trying to

3566
02:24:23,110 --> 02:24:21,600
find out what happened but isn't it

3567
02:24:25,510 --> 02:24:23,120
interesting that so many of these

3568
02:24:30,230 --> 02:24:25,520
sightings have happened at schools yes

3569
02:24:31,910 --> 02:24:30,240
yes yes yes yes that's a big deal

3570
02:24:33,990 --> 02:24:31,920
beyond coincidence

3571
02:24:35,750 --> 02:24:34,000
absolutely i wanted to ask you this did

3572
02:24:38,389 --> 02:24:35,760
you talk to the witness

3573
02:24:40,309 --> 02:24:38,399
uh there was a second landing that

3574
02:24:42,550 --> 02:24:40,319
happened uh

3575
02:24:45,670 --> 02:24:42,560
near near some shops

3576
02:24:48,070 --> 02:24:45,680
um on a street uh right after

3577
02:24:49,830 --> 02:24:48,080
uh the incident happened in in the

3578
02:24:51,830 --> 02:24:49,840
football field so it wasn't just one

3579
02:24:54,230 --> 02:24:51,840
landing it was two right

3580
02:24:55,590 --> 02:24:54,240
i i haven't spoken to that witness i

3581
02:24:57,750 --> 02:24:55,600
think i know of the case that you're

3582
02:25:01,030 --> 02:24:57,760
talking about there was also a

3583
02:25:03,270 --> 02:25:01,040
photograph taken a few days prior by

3584
02:25:04,389 --> 02:25:03,280
another gentleman in an adjoining suburb

3585
02:25:06,550 --> 02:25:04,399
of melbourne

3586
02:25:07,990 --> 02:25:06,560
and the provenance of that photograph

3587
02:25:11,710 --> 02:25:08,000
has obviously been challenged by the

3588
02:25:14,230 --> 02:25:11,720
debunkers but it shows a very clear

3589
02:25:16,630 --> 02:25:14,240
disclenticular object hovering over a

3590
02:25:18,630 --> 02:25:16,640
house and people who saw the object at

3591
02:25:20,950 --> 02:25:18,640
westall have described that object as

3592
02:25:22,790 --> 02:25:20,960
being very similar or identical to what

3593
02:25:25,349 --> 02:25:22,800
they saw at westall

3594
02:25:27,990 --> 02:25:25,359
do you think it's it's it's

3595
02:25:29,750 --> 02:25:28,000
is it possible i i think this is one of

3596
02:25:31,990 --> 02:25:29,760
the most documented fascinating cases

3597
02:25:34,309 --> 02:25:32,000
out there i really do

3598
02:25:35,190 --> 02:25:34,319
is it possible to

3599
02:25:37,510 --> 02:25:35,200
to

3600
02:25:40,150 --> 02:25:37,520
have all of the law enforcement and the

3601
02:25:42,389 --> 02:25:40,160
media and the television station

3602
02:25:43,990 --> 02:25:42,399
um

3603
02:25:45,349 --> 02:25:44,000
in complete

3604
02:25:46,950 --> 02:25:45,359
coordination

3605
02:25:49,750 --> 02:25:46,960
in lockstep

3606
02:25:52,550 --> 02:25:49,760
in in covering this up to where there

3607
02:25:55,510 --> 02:25:52,560
isn't a paper trail is is like roswell

3608
02:25:56,710 --> 02:25:55,520
an example of that yes this can be done

3609
02:25:58,230 --> 02:25:56,720
yeah i think it is

3610
02:25:59,990 --> 02:25:58,240
i think if you look back in your history

3611
02:26:02,550 --> 02:26:00,000
the manhattan project you know the

3612
02:26:04,230 --> 02:26:02,560
building of the atomic bomb was one of

3613
02:26:06,710 --> 02:26:04,240
the biggest secrets in your nation's

3614
02:26:08,790 --> 02:26:06,720
history right it was it was largely kept

3615
02:26:10,790 --> 02:26:08,800
secret for the duration of the project

3616
02:26:13,990 --> 02:26:10,800
until the bomb was exploded

3617
02:26:15,750 --> 02:26:14,000
over nagasaki and hiroshima in um august

3618
02:26:17,830 --> 02:26:15,760
of 1945

3619
02:26:19,590 --> 02:26:17,840
and they were working on that bomb after

3620
02:26:21,110 --> 02:26:19,600
einstein approached the president very

3621
02:26:22,950 --> 02:26:21,120
early in the war and said that it was

3622
02:26:24,309 --> 02:26:22,960
capable it was possible to build a

3623
02:26:26,950 --> 02:26:24,319
weapon like that

3624
02:26:29,190 --> 02:26:26,960
they had tens of thousands of people

3625
02:26:31,590 --> 02:26:29,200
working on the manhattan project and

3626
02:26:33,429 --> 02:26:31,600
there was a phenomenal effort made to

3627
02:26:35,670 --> 02:26:33,439
keep it confidential and they succeeded

3628
02:26:37,429 --> 02:26:35,680
they largely succeeded until of course

3629
02:26:39,910 --> 02:26:37,439
the secret of the bomb was compromised

3630
02:26:41,910 --> 02:26:39,920
well after the war by the um the soviets

3631
02:26:42,950 --> 02:26:41,920
having spies inside the nuclear weapons

3632
02:26:45,590 --> 02:26:42,960
program

3633
02:26:48,469 --> 02:26:45,600
but i believe yes there are secrets that

3634
02:26:50,469 --> 02:26:48,479
have been kept inside the united states

3635
02:26:52,309 --> 02:26:50,479
for many years successfully with the

3636
02:26:55,110 --> 02:26:52,319
collaboration of law enforcement and

3637
02:26:55,990 --> 02:26:55,120
other agencies it can happen it does

3638
02:26:57,830 --> 02:26:56,000
happen

3639
02:26:59,670 --> 02:26:57,840
i mean look for example at the uh

3640
02:27:02,230 --> 02:26:59,680
incredible secret of warrantless

3641
02:27:04,870 --> 02:27:02,240
wiretapping that americans were

3642
02:27:07,990 --> 02:27:04,880
illegally being tapped by your national

3643
02:27:09,590 --> 02:27:08,000
security agency until it was exposed by

3644
02:27:11,270 --> 02:27:09,600
courageous journalism and finally

3645
02:27:12,870 --> 02:27:11,280
brought into the public light

3646
02:27:14,790 --> 02:27:12,880
there were people who knew about it but

3647
02:27:17,190 --> 02:27:14,800
it hadn't been revealed

3648
02:27:18,710 --> 02:27:17,200
our government would never do that ross

3649
02:27:21,510 --> 02:27:18,720
[Laughter]

3650
02:27:23,270 --> 02:27:21,520
no of course not never now what do you

3651
02:27:27,670 --> 02:27:23,280
see what a great conversation tonight

3652
02:27:29,510 --> 02:27:27,680
and thank you uh uh for for

3653
02:27:33,030 --> 02:27:29,520
just the perfect night

3654
02:27:35,190 --> 02:27:33,040
this is a radio gold tonight um what do

3655
02:27:37,349 --> 02:27:35,200
you see now

3656
02:27:38,710 --> 02:27:37,359
what's the chit chat

3657
02:27:41,270 --> 02:27:38,720
um

3658
02:27:43,190 --> 02:27:41,280
what do you see for hearings in the

3659
02:27:44,550 --> 02:27:43,200
immediate future what have you heard

3660
02:27:46,230 --> 02:27:44,560
what is next

3661
02:27:48,550 --> 02:27:46,240
i'm optimistic that there definitely

3662
02:27:51,030 --> 02:27:48,560
will be hearings possibly as early as

3663
02:27:52,710 --> 02:27:51,040
within the next two three weeks

3664
02:27:55,670 --> 02:27:52,720
but

3665
02:27:57,510 --> 02:27:55,680
if we don't get the right congressmen

3666
02:27:59,349 --> 02:27:57,520
congress representatives

3667
02:28:00,870 --> 02:27:59,359
the right senators asking the right

3668
02:28:02,630 --> 02:28:00,880
questions and if we don't get the right

3669
02:28:04,389 --> 02:28:02,640
witnesses

3670
02:28:07,590 --> 02:28:04,399
believe me you and i are going to be

3671
02:28:09,429 --> 02:28:07,600
very old men in another 54 years

3672
02:28:11,510 --> 02:28:09,439
asking when the hell is the truth going

3673
02:28:13,830 --> 02:28:11,520
to be told about uaps

3674
02:28:16,790 --> 02:28:13,840
because we only get one go at this

3675
02:28:18,230 --> 02:28:16,800
and congress in its wisdom has decided

3676
02:28:20,550 --> 02:28:18,240
to do it now

3677
02:28:23,190 --> 02:28:20,560
but by golly people need to rattle the

3678
02:28:24,710 --> 02:28:23,200
cage they genuinely need to let their

3679
02:28:27,990 --> 02:28:24,720
representatives know

3680
02:28:29,349 --> 02:28:28,000
this matters it really matters write a

3681
02:28:30,550 --> 02:28:29,359
letter to your congressman your

3682
02:28:32,710 --> 02:28:30,560
congresswoman

3683
02:28:35,349 --> 02:28:32,720
write a letter to your senator let them

3684
02:28:39,030 --> 02:28:35,359
know this is something that matters to

3685
02:28:41,190 --> 02:28:39,040
you you want the truth it really does

3686
02:28:43,510 --> 02:28:41,200
matter because the wheel that squeaks in

3687
02:28:46,070 --> 02:28:43,520
politics gets the grease

3688
02:28:47,349 --> 02:28:46,080
every time who would you like to see as

3689
02:28:49,349 --> 02:28:47,359
witnesses

3690
02:28:51,429 --> 02:28:49,359
i'd like to see every single member of

3691
02:28:53,670 --> 02:28:51,439
the senior review group of the

3692
02:28:54,389 --> 02:28:53,680
department of defense in the past 20

3693
02:28:56,309 --> 02:28:54,399
years

3694
02:28:58,790 --> 02:28:56,319
and i'd like to see every single member

3695
02:29:00,950 --> 02:28:58,800
of the special access program committee

3696
02:29:03,830 --> 02:29:00,960
uh the special access program oversight

3697
02:29:06,309 --> 02:29:03,840
committee put under oath and asked

3698
02:29:08,469 --> 02:29:06,319
formally are they willing to testify

3699
02:29:10,710 --> 02:29:08,479
that they are unaware of any retrieved

3700
02:29:12,070 --> 02:29:10,720
technology that is not human

3701
02:29:14,070 --> 02:29:12,080
i think that will be the definitive

3702
02:29:14,810 --> 02:29:14,080
moment in american history you don't

3703
02:29:17,429 --> 02:29:14,820
want much

3704
02:29:18,630 --> 02:29:17,439
[Laughter]

3705
02:29:21,670 --> 02:29:18,640
what about

3706
02:29:24,950 --> 02:29:21,680
i i i think there's two guys that

3707
02:29:27,110 --> 02:29:24,960
that nobody wants to talk about that

3708
02:29:28,550 --> 02:29:27,120
there's the list is long but at the top

3709
02:29:31,750 --> 02:29:28,560
of my list

3710
02:29:32,950 --> 02:29:31,760
uh rear admiral daley and rear admiral

3711
02:29:35,590 --> 02:29:32,960
curtis

3712
02:29:38,710 --> 02:29:35,600
the two commanders of the nimitz battle

3713
02:29:41,190 --> 02:29:38,720
group back in 2004. yeah it's

3714
02:29:44,070 --> 02:29:41,200
interesting um uh on the other side of

3715
02:29:46,550 --> 02:29:44,080
the uh of the american continent when um

3716
02:29:48,710 --> 02:29:46,560
ryan graves reported what he saw i think

3717
02:29:50,150 --> 02:29:48,720
he was on the uss theodore roosevelt or

3718
02:29:51,750 --> 02:29:50,160
no he was off actually he was off the

3719
02:29:53,510 --> 02:29:51,760
coast but pilots who were on the

3720
02:29:56,070 --> 02:29:53,520
roosevelt

3721
02:29:58,150 --> 02:29:56,080
they described their admiral when he

3722
02:30:00,630 --> 02:29:58,160
came in and looked at the vision

3723
02:30:01,670 --> 02:30:00,640
looking very nonplussed and unsurprised

3724
02:30:03,429 --> 02:30:01,680
and the same thing happened to the

3725
02:30:05,349 --> 02:30:03,439
pilots on the nimitz

3726
02:30:08,150 --> 02:30:05,359
that when the the senior commander the

3727
02:30:10,070 --> 02:30:08,160
senior battlefleet cruiser admiral

3728
02:30:12,230 --> 02:30:10,080
basically looked at what was being shown

3729
02:30:14,389 --> 02:30:12,240
on the internal comms

3730
02:30:16,230 --> 02:30:14,399
there was no surprise so there is still

3731
02:30:18,230 --> 02:30:16,240
a question mark in my mind jimmy that

3732
02:30:19,830 --> 02:30:18,240
there is some agency of the united

3733
02:30:21,750 --> 02:30:19,840
states that has been doing stuff in the

3734
02:30:24,469 --> 02:30:21,760
black that we don't know about

3735
02:30:26,230 --> 02:30:24,479
but i don't think that explains all of

3736
02:30:30,950 --> 02:30:26,240
the phenomenon that humanity's been

3737
02:30:32,309 --> 02:30:30,960
seeing for the past 75 80 to 1000 years

3738
02:30:34,230 --> 02:30:32,319
i think there's clearly been something

3739
02:30:36,710 --> 02:30:34,240
around for a long time

3740
02:30:39,030 --> 02:30:36,720
but our sensor systems our technology is

3741
02:30:41,429 --> 02:30:39,040
now detecting it and it's becoming

3742
02:30:43,910 --> 02:30:41,439
irrefutable the american government can

3743
02:30:46,550 --> 02:30:43,920
no longer deny it because the technology

3744
02:30:48,550 --> 02:30:46,560
is there too many people have seen it

3745
02:30:51,110 --> 02:30:48,560
then they now have to make a statement

3746
02:30:53,990 --> 02:30:51,120
they have to express a position

3747
02:30:57,750 --> 02:30:54,000
the only question is how honest are they

3748
02:30:59,590 --> 02:30:57,760
going to be yeah yeah ross uh one last

3749
02:31:01,910 --> 02:30:59,600
question man i'm gonna one last question

3750
02:31:06,469 --> 02:31:01,920
you to death until tomorrow morning

3751
02:31:08,469 --> 02:31:06,479
but if you were going to give advice

3752
02:31:10,950 --> 02:31:08,479
uh to both the senate intelligence

3753
02:31:13,510 --> 02:31:10,960
committee and the the committee on

3754
02:31:14,630 --> 02:31:13,520
terrorism and intelligence uh in in

3755
02:31:17,270 --> 02:31:14,640
congress

3756
02:31:20,790 --> 02:31:17,280
on how to navigate this

3757
02:31:23,110 --> 02:31:20,800
uh because of the complex issues of

3758
02:31:24,469 --> 02:31:23,120
of um

3759
02:31:27,750 --> 02:31:24,479
lawsuits

3760
02:31:29,429 --> 02:31:27,760
of you know of of some serious issues

3761
02:31:31,750 --> 02:31:29,439
that could be put on the table whether

3762
02:31:33,270 --> 02:31:31,760
it's energy and free energy and

3763
02:31:35,830 --> 02:31:33,280
technology and things that could have

3764
02:31:37,670 --> 02:31:35,840
been shared with mankind all the way to

3765
02:31:39,190 --> 02:31:37,680
direct lies and people that have been

3766
02:31:41,670 --> 02:31:39,200
injured

3767
02:31:42,630 --> 02:31:41,680
and it's a complex deep multi-layered

3768
02:31:45,670 --> 02:31:42,640
onion

3769
02:31:47,230 --> 02:31:45,680
so if you were going to advise them on

3770
02:31:49,990 --> 02:31:47,240
how to

3771
02:31:52,070 --> 02:31:50,000
disclose without

3772
02:31:52,950 --> 02:31:52,080
the the fear of the of

3773
02:31:57,590 --> 02:31:52,960
of

3774
02:31:59,910 --> 02:31:57,600
anger right i mean just public outrage

3775
02:32:02,309 --> 02:31:59,920
on this what would you tell them

3776
02:32:04,630 --> 02:32:02,319
it's funny i've got a doctor friend who

3777
02:32:07,270 --> 02:32:04,640
i was doing a story with once about

3778
02:32:09,510 --> 02:32:07,280
doctors making mistakes medical mistakes

3779
02:32:11,110 --> 02:32:09,520
and he was a beautiful sri lankan doctor

3780
02:32:13,190 --> 02:32:11,120
living in brisbane in queensland in

3781
02:32:15,910 --> 02:32:13,200
australia and he said to me you know

3782
02:32:17,830 --> 02:32:15,920
ross i have never been sued and he said

3783
02:32:20,550 --> 02:32:17,840
a lot of doctors do get sued

3784
02:32:22,309 --> 02:32:20,560
but he said when i make a mistake

3785
02:32:23,590 --> 02:32:22,319
and doctors believe me we do make

3786
02:32:26,070 --> 02:32:23,600
mistakes

3787
02:32:27,750 --> 02:32:26,080
i always sit my patient down and i say

3788
02:32:29,030 --> 02:32:27,760
honestly what happened

3789
02:32:30,550 --> 02:32:29,040
and i tell them

3790
02:32:32,710 --> 02:32:30,560
and if they want to sue me they can but

3791
02:32:36,309 --> 02:32:32,720
you know nobody ever has

3792
02:32:37,990 --> 02:32:36,319
and he says i think people want truth

3793
02:32:39,910 --> 02:32:38,000
and i think this is why i've been

3794
02:32:41,910 --> 02:32:39,920
arguing i i should like to take the

3795
02:32:43,590 --> 02:32:41,920
credit for the idea of an immunity or a

3796
02:32:44,950 --> 02:32:43,600
truth and reconciliation commission

3797
02:32:46,389 --> 02:32:44,960
because i'm pretty sure i was the first

3798
02:32:48,309 --> 02:32:46,399
one to suggest it

3799
02:32:50,309 --> 02:32:48,319
but i i actually think we shouldn't be

3800
02:32:53,030 --> 02:32:50,319
vilifying these people i think that the

3801
02:32:53,910 --> 02:32:53,040
reasons why this has been kept secret

3802
02:32:56,469 --> 02:32:53,920
were

3803
02:32:58,389 --> 02:32:56,479
in the era laudable they thought they

3804
02:33:01,190 --> 02:32:58,399
were doing the right thing the trouble

3805
02:33:03,349 --> 02:33:01,200
is the the reasons no longer exist the

3806
02:33:05,349 --> 02:33:03,359
reasons for cold war secrecy can no

3807
02:33:07,429 --> 02:33:05,359
longer be justified

3808
02:33:10,630 --> 02:33:07,439
but i don't think we should vilify

3809
02:33:12,230 --> 02:33:10,640
people unless they continue to lie

3810
02:33:15,910 --> 02:33:12,240
i think they should be given an

3811
02:33:17,590 --> 02:33:15,920
opportunity to just tell the truth

3812
02:33:19,349 --> 02:33:17,600
and if they want to put the best

3813
02:33:21,110 --> 02:33:19,359
possible spin on that and explain their

3814
02:33:23,670 --> 02:33:21,120
motives for why they've lied to the

3815
02:33:25,830 --> 02:33:23,680
american public and they have

3816
02:33:27,590 --> 02:33:25,840
then good luck to them but they should

3817
02:33:28,630 --> 02:33:27,600
be given the opportunity to tell the

3818
02:33:31,910 --> 02:33:28,640
truth

3819
02:33:34,309 --> 02:33:31,920
but by golly jimmy if anybody lies to

3820
02:33:37,190 --> 02:33:34,319
the congress if anybody continues to

3821
02:33:39,110 --> 02:33:37,200
deceive and manipulate and dissemble

3822
02:33:40,950 --> 02:33:39,120
and obfuscate

3823
02:33:43,510 --> 02:33:40,960
i reckon they should be tied to the back

3824
02:33:46,309 --> 02:33:43,520
of a humvee and publicly tarred and

3825
02:33:48,469 --> 02:33:46,319
feathered and vilified this is their one

3826
02:33:50,790 --> 02:33:48,479
chance

3827
02:33:53,270 --> 02:33:50,800
because frankly this is a truth that has

3828
02:33:54,550 --> 02:33:53,280
been withheld from the american public

3829
02:33:56,230 --> 02:33:54,560
and the world

3830
02:33:58,790 --> 02:33:56,240
for decades

3831
02:33:59,750 --> 02:33:58,800
and i'm talking to people who've told me

3832
02:34:03,110 --> 02:33:59,760
what

3833
02:34:04,790 --> 02:34:03,120
they think the public needs to know and

3834
02:34:07,429 --> 02:34:04,800
it's interesting because

3835
02:34:09,510 --> 02:34:07,439
it's not necessarily what we think

3836
02:34:11,270 --> 02:34:09,520
and frankly they don't think there's any

3837
02:34:12,950 --> 02:34:11,280
good reason for continuing to keep it

3838
02:34:16,790 --> 02:34:12,960
confidential

3839
02:34:18,230 --> 02:34:16,800
and yes there's existencies like ukraine

3840
02:34:20,230 --> 02:34:18,240
there's the fact that we've got a nutter

3841
02:34:21,830 --> 02:34:20,240
like putin on the on the other side of

3842
02:34:22,790 --> 02:34:21,840
the planet who's threatening nuclear

3843
02:34:24,309 --> 02:34:22,800
weapons

3844
02:34:25,990 --> 02:34:24,319
we've got china

3845
02:34:28,469 --> 02:34:26,000
doing all manner of things to try and

3846
02:34:30,230 --> 02:34:28,479
undermine undermine american hegemony in

3847
02:34:32,230 --> 02:34:30,240
the pacific

3848
02:34:35,830 --> 02:34:32,240
and my country's nervous about that but

3849
02:34:37,990 --> 02:34:35,840
that shouldn't stop the truth from being

3850
02:34:40,950 --> 02:34:38,000
told and it's interesting just this week

3851
02:34:43,190 --> 02:34:40,960
i i had an official from our government

3852
02:34:45,110 --> 02:34:43,200
on a semi-official basis just gently

3853
02:34:48,150 --> 02:34:45,120
reach out to me and say

3854
02:34:50,230 --> 02:34:48,160
any chance of a quiet chat sometime

3855
02:34:51,270 --> 02:34:50,240
there's a beginning of an awareness that

3856
02:34:53,110 --> 02:34:51,280
there's going to have to be an

3857
02:34:55,910 --> 02:34:53,120
accounting for this

3858
02:34:59,270 --> 02:34:55,920
that they can no longer just glibly

3859
02:35:00,950 --> 02:34:59,280
ignore the public and the reason why is

3860
02:35:02,790 --> 02:35:00,960
because of everybody out there and

3861
02:35:04,630 --> 02:35:02,800
because of people like you jimmy you've

3862
02:35:06,630 --> 02:35:04,640
been asking questions

3863
02:35:09,110 --> 02:35:06,640
and all we've got to do all the right

3864
02:35:11,190 --> 02:35:09,120
all the people have got a right to do is

3865
02:35:12,630 --> 02:35:11,200
to ask questions and that's what our

3866
02:35:13,990 --> 02:35:12,640
representatives in the congress are

3867
02:35:16,070 --> 02:35:14,000
there for as well

3868
02:35:19,030 --> 02:35:16,080
they're going to ask questions

3869
02:35:21,750 --> 02:35:19,040
and by golly whatever it takes they're

3870
02:35:24,070 --> 02:35:21,760
going to get an answer

3871
02:35:27,030 --> 02:35:24,080
thank you so much ross um

3872
02:35:29,270 --> 02:35:27,040
uh really quick uh you and bryce uh with

3873
02:35:30,950 --> 02:35:29,280
need to know uh when do you guys release

3874
02:35:33,670 --> 02:35:30,960
the podcast

3875
02:35:35,750 --> 02:35:33,680
um we generally do it on thursdays and

3876
02:35:37,110 --> 02:35:35,760
release it around about friday saturday

3877
02:35:39,349 --> 02:35:37,120
your time

3878
02:35:42,150 --> 02:35:39,359
we're recording tomorrow

3879
02:35:44,710 --> 02:35:42,160
and what we're doing is an analysis of

3880
02:35:46,150 --> 02:35:44,720
what we think of the uap hearings and

3881
02:35:48,550 --> 02:35:46,160
what's to come

3882
02:35:50,309 --> 02:35:48,560
and uh yeah if anybody wants to

3883
02:35:52,030 --> 02:35:50,319
watch or listen to it you can find out

3884
02:35:55,590 --> 02:35:52,040
all about it at

3885
02:35:57,590 --> 02:35:55,600
www.need to know dot today

3886
02:36:00,389 --> 02:35:57,600
and if you want to read my book in plain

3887
02:36:02,710 --> 02:36:00,399
sight it's all in all good book shops

3888
02:36:04,550 --> 02:36:02,720
and i'm delighted to uh

3889
02:36:07,110 --> 02:36:04,560
delighted to know it's also available on

3890
02:36:10,469 --> 02:36:07,120
audible and all good downloads

3891
02:36:12,870 --> 02:36:10,479
we've uh got the links uh to your book

3892
02:36:15,270 --> 02:36:12,880
in social media and also

3893
02:36:18,230 --> 02:36:15,280
in the description box below ross

3894
02:36:19,990 --> 02:36:18,240
colthardt thank you so much my man and a

3895
02:36:22,309 --> 02:36:20,000
great conversation

3896
02:36:24,070 --> 02:36:22,319
keep rolling that rock uphill seriously

3897
02:36:26,389 --> 02:36:24,080
thank you so much all the best to you

3898
02:36:28,710 --> 02:36:26,399
man cheers bye-bye the absolute very

3899
02:36:30,309 --> 02:36:28,720
best ross coulthard and again the links

3900
02:36:32,550 --> 02:36:30,319
for ross's book

3901
02:36:35,190 --> 02:36:32,560
uh are right here below they're over on

3902
02:36:37,030 --> 02:36:35,200
our website and we have them throughout

3903
02:36:39,510 --> 02:36:37,040
a social media and with that i'm going

3904
02:36:41,830 --> 02:36:39,520
to take a quick break and i'll swing

3905
02:36:44,070 --> 02:36:41,840
back after this

3906
02:36:47,590 --> 02:36:44,080
and i'll take some of your phone calls

3907
02:36:51,990 --> 02:36:49,429
this is fade to black what a great

3908
02:36:54,790 --> 02:36:52,000
conversation tonight that was perfect

3909
02:36:57,110 --> 02:36:54,800
did ross just say this might be his last

3910
02:36:58,710 --> 02:36:57,120
one for a while

3911
02:37:00,710 --> 02:36:58,720
wow

3912
02:37:02,230 --> 02:37:00,720
that's an honor i'm your host jimmy

3913
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church this is fade to black i'll be

3914
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right back with your phone call stay

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with me

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3988
02:41:24,630 --> 02:41:19,110
man i hate that when that happens

3989
02:41:29,429 --> 02:41:26,550
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3990
02:41:32,870 --> 02:41:29,439
thank you ross colthard that was a

3991
02:41:34,710 --> 02:41:32,880
perfect perfect perfect conversation and

3992
02:41:36,469 --> 02:41:34,720
a great way to start off the week here

3993
02:41:41,750 --> 02:41:36,479
on on fade to black

3994
02:41:46,630 --> 02:41:41,760
um i i had said uh 747-228-2051

3995
02:41:48,389 --> 02:41:46,640
and if you are on hold stay right there

3996
02:41:50,230 --> 02:41:48,399
and uh i'll get the phone calls here in

3997
02:41:53,110 --> 02:41:50,240
a second um

3998
02:41:58,230 --> 02:41:53,120
i had said the day of the hearing

3999
02:42:00,309 --> 02:41:58,240
and i am not some armchair dude i got up

4000
02:42:02,150 --> 02:42:00,319
at 5 30 in the morning

4001
02:42:04,230 --> 02:42:02,160
uh to

4002
02:42:06,550 --> 02:42:04,240
watch that hearing live

4003
02:42:08,630 --> 02:42:06,560
and i took copious notes and i paid

4004
02:42:09,590 --> 02:42:08,640
attention to every single word

4005
02:42:12,870 --> 02:42:09,600
um

4006
02:42:13,910 --> 02:42:12,880
and i had said after the hearing

4007
02:42:19,269 --> 02:42:13,920
and

4008
02:42:21,030 --> 02:42:19,279
that

4009
02:42:23,830 --> 02:42:21,040
the hearing itself

4010
02:42:27,830 --> 02:42:23,840
happened that was 90 minutes

4011
02:42:30,469 --> 02:42:27,840
the analysis of this hearing and its

4012
02:42:31,830 --> 02:42:30,479
implications and its importance are not

4013
02:42:34,389 --> 02:42:31,840
going to be known

4014
02:42:36,469 --> 02:42:34,399
uh until the days and weeks ahead as we

4015
02:42:41,590 --> 02:42:36,479
turn around and look back at this

4016
02:42:42,870 --> 02:42:41,600
and the more that i do that the

4017
02:42:47,990 --> 02:42:42,880
the

4018
02:42:50,070 --> 02:42:48,000
of what that hearing represented is just

4019
02:42:52,230 --> 02:42:50,080
now starting to soak in

4020
02:42:55,670 --> 02:42:52,240
it's like a big deal

4021
02:42:58,150 --> 02:42:55,680
i i can only imagine

4022
02:43:00,150 --> 02:42:58,160
you know 5 10 20 years from now how that

4023
02:43:02,150 --> 02:43:00,160
hearing is going to be talked about

4024
02:43:04,309 --> 02:43:02,160
in a historical context

4025
02:43:05,510 --> 02:43:04,319
i i think it's that big of a deal

4026
02:43:08,870 --> 02:43:05,520
and

4027
02:43:11,110 --> 02:43:08,880
getting ross's input on it uh today

4028
02:43:14,469 --> 02:43:11,120
uh very important he's such a great

4029
02:43:19,110 --> 02:43:14,479
journalist and an investigative reporter

4030
02:43:22,790 --> 02:43:19,120
um and with with serious contacts

4031
02:43:25,429 --> 02:43:22,800
um and and i think that um he

4032
02:43:29,670 --> 02:43:25,439
understands the importance of it but the

4033
02:43:32,070 --> 02:43:29,680
other side which is brought out uh today

4034
02:43:33,830 --> 02:43:32,080
if i'm going to go back and catch one

4035
02:43:35,990 --> 02:43:33,840
thing that ross said

4036
02:43:38,230 --> 02:43:36,000
um is that this is just the first of

4037
02:43:39,990 --> 02:43:38,240
many hearings we cannot be happy we

4038
02:43:42,550 --> 02:43:40,000
cannot be complacent as great as the

4039
02:43:45,030 --> 02:43:42,560
hearing was and as important as it was

4040
02:43:48,309 --> 02:43:45,040
we cannot be happy

4041
02:43:51,349 --> 02:43:48,319
we've got to ask for more we've got to

4042
02:43:52,950 --> 02:43:51,359
continue we can't let washington or the

4043
02:43:54,790 --> 02:43:52,960
department of defense think that it's

4044
02:43:56,309 --> 02:43:54,800
over now they got the hearing out of the

4045
02:43:57,830 --> 02:43:56,319
way they don't have to do this again no

4046
02:43:59,750 --> 02:43:57,840
that's not the case

4047
02:44:01,269 --> 02:43:59,760
that being said

4048
02:44:03,269 --> 02:44:01,279
ross

4049
02:44:04,870 --> 02:44:03,279
said that he

4050
02:44:07,349 --> 02:44:04,880
expects

4051
02:44:09,349 --> 02:44:07,359
uh you know the chit chat the chatter

4052
02:44:10,710 --> 02:44:09,359
out there is that there is going to be

4053
02:44:13,190 --> 02:44:10,720
another hearing

4054
02:44:14,389 --> 02:44:13,200
in the next two to three weeks

4055
02:44:15,750 --> 02:44:14,399
i'll let you know that i've heard the

4056
02:44:16,790 --> 02:44:15,760
same thing

4057
02:44:19,429 --> 02:44:16,800
so

4058
02:44:21,830 --> 02:44:19,439
uh and i've kind of alluded to that

4059
02:44:23,750 --> 02:44:21,840
and wouldn't it be amazing if it does

4060
02:44:24,630 --> 02:44:23,760
happen that quickly and i think that it

4061
02:44:26,950 --> 02:44:24,640
is

4062
02:44:29,269 --> 02:44:26,960
um i hope that the things that i've

4063
02:44:31,429 --> 02:44:29,279
heard and the things that ross

4064
02:44:33,670 --> 02:44:31,439
um has been able to extrapolate out

4065
02:44:35,510 --> 02:44:33,680
there from

4066
02:44:37,269 --> 02:44:35,520
the the conversation out there that's

4067
02:44:38,870 --> 02:44:37,279
going on that there is going to be

4068
02:44:39,910 --> 02:44:38,880
another hearing in the next two to three

4069
02:44:42,870 --> 02:44:39,920
weeks

4070
02:44:44,150 --> 02:44:42,880
um i just don't know

4071
02:44:46,950 --> 02:44:44,160
who

4072
02:44:47,990 --> 02:44:46,960
the witnesses are going to be that i

4073
02:44:53,590 --> 02:44:48,000
don't know

4074
02:44:55,910 --> 02:44:53,600
either and i don't want to pretend uh

4075
02:44:58,550 --> 02:44:55,920
that i know these things i don't

4076
02:44:59,750 --> 02:44:58,560
um but won't that be interesting when it

4077
02:45:01,269 --> 02:44:59,760
goes down

4078
02:45:02,790 --> 02:45:01,279
with that

4079
02:45:06,710 --> 02:45:02,800
let's go to the phones hi you're live on

4080
02:45:10,950 --> 02:45:08,870
hello steve hi steve where are you

4081
02:45:13,590 --> 02:45:10,960
calling from

4082
02:45:17,429 --> 02:45:13,600
uh sierra madre california

4083
02:45:20,550 --> 02:45:17,439
from it's from sierra madre

4084
02:45:23,670 --> 02:45:20,560
yes okay what's on your mind steve

4085
02:45:26,550 --> 02:45:23,680
i was uh just uh

4086
02:45:28,790 --> 02:45:26,560
your uh talk about uh

4087
02:45:30,150 --> 02:45:28,800
the hearings and stuff

4088
02:45:32,070 --> 02:45:30,160
um

4089
02:45:35,110 --> 02:45:32,080
i wonder if they're gonna go a little

4090
02:45:36,389 --> 02:45:35,120
deeper into

4091
02:45:42,630 --> 02:45:36,399
like

4092
02:45:44,950 --> 02:45:42,640
i know uap but ufo stuff

4093
02:45:47,670 --> 02:45:44,960
i mean are they gonna actually

4094
02:45:49,990 --> 02:45:47,680
talk about aliens well it depends on who

4095
02:45:52,630 --> 02:45:50,000
the witnesses are

4096
02:45:55,269 --> 02:45:52,640
right obviously they tried to they tried

4097
02:45:58,389 --> 02:45:55,279
to talk about that with uh

4098
02:46:00,309 --> 02:45:58,399
scott bray and walter right and they

4099
02:46:01,429 --> 02:46:00,319
didn't get anywhere yeah they didn't get

4100
02:46:04,150 --> 02:46:01,439
anywhere

4101
02:46:05,510 --> 02:46:04,160
um they got it behind coat

4102
02:46:08,230 --> 02:46:05,520
that's behind

4103
02:46:09,910 --> 02:46:08,240
the closed doors

4104
02:46:12,230 --> 02:46:09,920
i would have loved

4105
02:46:14,469 --> 02:46:12,240
you know at some point

4106
02:46:17,349 --> 02:46:14,479
you can expect john greenwald

4107
02:46:19,750 --> 02:46:17,359
uh to get uh the notes

4108
02:46:21,510 --> 02:46:19,760
uh from the classified briefing

4109
02:46:23,590 --> 02:46:21,520
um and that will be brought out in the

4110
02:46:26,870 --> 02:46:23,600
freedom of information act it's not

4111
02:46:29,429 --> 02:46:26,880
completely classified uh the the public

4112
02:46:31,910 --> 02:46:29,439
still has a right to know so yeah what

4113
02:46:33,349 --> 02:46:31,920
was discussed uh in the classified part

4114
02:46:36,230 --> 02:46:33,359
of the briefing i think that the

4115
02:46:37,590 --> 02:46:36,240
representatives definitely tried to

4116
02:46:38,469 --> 02:46:37,600
uh

4117
02:46:40,710 --> 02:46:38,479
i mean

4118
02:46:43,910 --> 02:46:40,720
you heard it in the line of questioning

4119
02:46:45,670 --> 02:46:43,920
um and e.t and extraterrestrials and

4120
02:46:47,830 --> 02:46:45,680
things not of this earth were brought up

4121
02:46:50,830 --> 02:46:47,840
in this hearing multiple times

4122
02:46:53,269 --> 02:46:50,840
um and and i think that

4123
02:46:54,469 --> 02:46:53,279
uh both bray and moultrie at the

4124
02:46:57,349 --> 02:46:54,479
beginning

4125
02:46:58,710 --> 02:46:57,359
uh tried to dance around directly

4126
02:47:00,550 --> 02:46:58,720
answering

4127
02:47:02,950 --> 02:47:00,560
um any of that

4128
02:47:05,510 --> 02:47:02,960
and but at the end

4129
02:47:07,670 --> 02:47:05,520
of the briefing when this came up a

4130
02:47:09,750 --> 02:47:07,680
couple of more times

4131
02:47:11,910 --> 02:47:09,760
that they said that they were interested

4132
02:47:15,190 --> 02:47:11,920
in in the search for extraterrestrial

4133
02:47:16,950 --> 02:47:15,200
life and that um there was uh i think it

4134
02:47:21,070 --> 02:47:16,960
was uh bray

4135
02:47:23,910 --> 02:47:21,080
that even said that there is room for

4136
02:47:26,070 --> 02:47:23,920
scientific discovery

4137
02:47:27,910 --> 02:47:26,080
and i thought what what what

4138
02:47:30,790 --> 02:47:27,920
exactly yeah

4139
02:47:33,910 --> 02:47:30,800
yeah interesting choice of words yeah

4140
02:47:34,870 --> 02:47:33,920
what is scientific discovery well okay

4141
02:47:37,110 --> 02:47:34,880
so

4142
02:47:38,790 --> 02:47:37,120
again leaving it open

4143
02:47:39,910 --> 02:47:38,800
um i think that

4144
02:47:41,750 --> 02:47:39,920
uh

4145
02:47:43,269 --> 02:47:41,760
the government

4146
02:47:45,349 --> 02:47:43,279
uh the department of defense and the

4147
02:47:47,429 --> 02:47:45,359
military and these agencies

4148
02:47:49,910 --> 02:47:47,439
uh would love

4149
02:47:52,790 --> 02:47:49,920
for something to happen

4150
02:47:54,550 --> 02:47:52,800
where there would be uh an alleged

4151
02:47:56,870 --> 02:47:54,560
discovery made

4152
02:47:59,429 --> 02:47:56,880
so they would have an out but they

4153
02:48:03,429 --> 02:47:59,439
haven't known about this forever

4154
02:48:06,230 --> 02:48:03,439
but now we've made this recent discovery

4155
02:48:09,349 --> 02:48:06,240
so now we can talk about this date and

4156
02:48:10,870 --> 02:48:09,359
moving forward and let's leave the past

4157
02:48:13,429 --> 02:48:10,880
70 years

4158
02:48:15,349 --> 02:48:13,439
um let's not talk about that but we've

4159
02:48:19,110 --> 02:48:15,359
made roswell and everything else right

4160
02:48:19,990 --> 02:48:19,120
right right right right right um i

4161
02:48:22,070 --> 02:48:20,000
you know

4162
02:48:24,389 --> 02:48:22,080
you're you're rolling the dice you're

4163
02:48:27,910 --> 02:48:24,399
hoping that something's gonna happen so

4164
02:48:31,269 --> 02:48:27,920
you can focus on that and say aha we've

4165
02:48:33,670 --> 02:48:31,279
made a discovery here with radio

4166
02:48:34,630 --> 02:48:33,680
signals from another you know star

4167
02:48:38,389 --> 02:48:34,640
system

4168
02:48:41,110 --> 02:48:38,399
uh you know something being identified

4169
02:48:43,110 --> 02:48:41,120
but it wasn't anything uh

4170
02:48:45,990 --> 02:48:43,120
that that happened in the last 70 years

4171
02:48:48,950 --> 02:48:46,000
right it happened today let's focus on

4172
02:48:51,429 --> 02:48:48,960
that and move forward um so yeah for

4173
02:48:54,230 --> 02:48:51,439
bray to say that that uh there is

4174
02:48:57,349 --> 02:48:54,240
another there's another category here

4175
02:48:59,910 --> 02:48:57,359
which is scientific discovery so we'll

4176
02:49:02,469 --> 02:48:59,920
see thanks for the phone call steve

4177
02:49:04,630 --> 02:49:02,479
enjoy the rest of your night man

4178
02:49:05,910 --> 02:49:04,640
one more one more question

4179
02:49:09,830 --> 02:49:05,920
uh

4180
02:49:12,550 --> 02:49:09,840
tonight

4181
02:49:14,469 --> 02:49:12,560
absolutely as soon as this show is over

4182
02:49:16,950 --> 02:49:14,479
in 12 minutes

4183
02:49:20,870 --> 02:49:16,960
i'm outside my sign

4184
02:49:22,870 --> 02:49:20,880
my son is heading up to uh zusa canyon

4185
02:49:24,469 --> 02:49:22,880
but i looked it up i don't know if it's

4186
02:49:28,309 --> 02:49:24,479
gonna be

4187
02:49:30,790 --> 02:49:28,319
i heard it's like closed at like 8 8 p.m

4188
02:49:33,670 --> 02:49:30,800
but maybe open tonight i don't know yeah

4189
02:49:36,790 --> 02:49:33,680
you said might go to lock or china to go

4190
02:49:38,710 --> 02:49:36,800
see it yeah yeah yeah well i'll let you

4191
02:49:40,790 --> 02:49:38,720
know i'm out here in the mojave desert

4192
02:49:42,870 --> 02:49:40,800
so i'll let everybody know i'll tweet

4193
02:49:44,790 --> 02:49:42,880
out if i catch anything i'll let

4194
02:49:47,190 --> 02:49:44,800
everybody know

4195
02:49:48,070 --> 02:49:47,200
i'm looking at the sky right now i'm in

4196
02:49:49,590 --> 02:49:48,080
uh

4197
02:49:50,469 --> 02:49:49,600
super margaery right now it's pretty

4198
02:49:53,590 --> 02:49:50,479
dark

4199
02:49:55,750 --> 02:49:53,600
not much light pollution but uh yeah i

4200
02:49:57,349 --> 02:49:55,760
hope to see something thank you jimmy

4201
02:49:59,830 --> 02:49:57,359
i'll talk to you steve thank you so much

4202
02:50:02,910 --> 02:49:59,840
it's time to fade to black everybody

4203
02:50:04,630 --> 02:50:02,920
needs to look in the direction of

4204
02:50:08,309 --> 02:50:04,640
hercules

4205
02:50:09,750 --> 02:50:08,319
okay and if you have i use a program on

4206
02:50:12,230 --> 02:50:09,760
my phone

4207
02:50:14,070 --> 02:50:12,240
um this is not a paid endorsement i use

4208
02:50:19,190 --> 02:50:14,080
night sky

4209
02:50:22,469 --> 02:50:19,200
they have another paid version of it

4210
02:50:23,830 --> 02:50:22,479
which i don't use the paid version and

4211
02:50:28,550 --> 02:50:23,840
night sky

4212
02:50:31,030 --> 02:50:28,560
looks like uh where is it on my phone

4213
02:50:33,429 --> 02:50:31,040
okay well enough of this i'm not going

4214
02:50:34,550 --> 02:50:33,439
to yeah there it is okay so that's the

4215
02:50:36,230 --> 02:50:34,560
logo

4216
02:50:38,389 --> 02:50:36,240
it looks like that oh i don't even know

4217
02:50:40,070 --> 02:50:38,399
if you can see it but it's called night

4218
02:50:42,469 --> 02:50:40,080
sky and

4219
02:50:43,750 --> 02:50:42,479
so when you open it up

4220
02:50:45,590 --> 02:50:43,760
night sky

4221
02:50:48,070 --> 02:50:45,600
shows you this let me see i don't even

4222
02:50:49,590 --> 02:50:48,080
know i've got i can't see myself i've

4223
02:50:50,550 --> 02:50:49,600
got everything covered up

4224
02:50:53,670 --> 02:50:50,560
okay

4225
02:50:56,550 --> 02:50:53,680
so that's what night sky shows you oh

4226
02:50:59,269 --> 02:50:56,560
man not now okay

4227
02:51:02,309 --> 02:50:59,279
and so you are able to wherever you are

4228
02:51:04,710 --> 02:51:02,319
there's the horizon now if i point up

4229
02:51:06,630 --> 02:51:04,720
right now i'm looking at the sky above

4230
02:51:09,830 --> 02:51:06,640
me if i have the phone like this it's

4231
02:51:11,830 --> 02:51:09,840
gps and i can see everything all the

4232
02:51:13,030 --> 02:51:11,840
constellations and everything that is

4233
02:51:15,269 --> 02:51:13,040
going on

4234
02:51:16,550 --> 02:51:15,279
so you want to find hercules and then

4235
02:51:20,309 --> 02:51:16,560
look in that direction that's what's

4236
02:51:22,150 --> 02:51:20,319
great about night sky he just

4237
02:51:23,670 --> 02:51:22,160
oh there's hercules right there i'm

4238
02:51:27,349 --> 02:51:23,680
looking at it

4239
02:51:30,830 --> 02:51:27,359
right okay let's just get night sky

4240
02:51:33,590 --> 02:51:30,840
and uh look in the direction of hercules

4241
02:51:36,389 --> 02:51:33,600
tonight so it's either all or nothing

4242
02:51:39,990 --> 02:51:36,399
that's what nasa says it's either

4243
02:51:41,510 --> 02:51:40,000
it's either all or nothing all right

4244
02:51:43,990 --> 02:51:41,520
let's see here

4245
02:51:46,150 --> 02:51:44,000
who is up next hi you're live on fade to

4246
02:51:48,389 --> 02:51:46,160
block who's calling

4247
02:51:51,750 --> 02:51:48,399
good evening gemini's white in montana

4248
02:51:56,150 --> 02:51:54,150
hi i just wanted to ask a quick question

4249
02:51:59,269 --> 02:51:56,160
of if the senate

4250
02:52:01,590 --> 02:51:59,279
should have a hearing on ufos

4251
02:52:03,190 --> 02:52:01,600
say in the next few months or

4252
02:52:05,349 --> 02:52:03,200
within the year

4253
02:52:09,110 --> 02:52:05,359
is the next step maybe

4254
02:52:10,950 --> 02:52:09,120
to have a disclosure rally in dc

4255
02:52:13,269 --> 02:52:10,960
yeah wouldn't it wouldn't that be nice

4256
02:52:14,710 --> 02:52:13,279
wouldn't that be nice okay now you said

4257
02:52:17,110 --> 02:52:14,720
senate

4258
02:52:20,389 --> 02:52:17,120
okay so are you referring to marco rubio

4259
02:52:22,150 --> 02:52:20,399
in the senate intelligence committee

4260
02:52:25,110 --> 02:52:22,160
exactly okay because right now the

4261
02:52:27,750 --> 02:52:25,120
hearings are going on in congress

4262
02:52:31,590 --> 02:52:27,760
it's not uh the senate intelligence

4263
02:52:32,790 --> 02:52:31,600
committee i i would i would i would say

4264
02:52:33,830 --> 02:52:32,800
that

4265
02:52:36,150 --> 02:52:33,840
um

4266
02:52:37,990 --> 02:52:36,160
the senate now

4267
02:52:39,349 --> 02:52:38,000
i i'm just speaking as an american

4268
02:52:43,429 --> 02:52:39,359
citizen here

4269
02:52:46,150 --> 02:52:43,439
um congress is one thing but the senate

4270
02:52:49,429 --> 02:52:46,160
is a little it's a notch above the on

4271
02:52:50,950 --> 02:52:49,439
the intimidation factor right

4272
02:52:53,349 --> 02:52:50,960
when you get to the senate hearings

4273
02:52:55,670 --> 02:52:53,359
things are getting really serious

4274
02:52:57,429 --> 02:52:55,680
and and i would expect that the line of

4275
02:52:59,110 --> 02:52:57,439
questioning from ruby on the senate

4276
02:53:01,429 --> 02:52:59,120
intelligence committee

4277
02:53:03,910 --> 02:53:01,439
uh would be completely different than

4278
02:53:06,469 --> 02:53:03,920
what is going on right now

4279
02:53:08,230 --> 02:53:06,479
i could be completely wrong i applaud

4280
02:53:11,670 --> 02:53:08,240
andre carson

4281
02:53:13,030 --> 02:53:11,680
and the current committee that is is

4282
02:53:14,870 --> 02:53:13,040
doing this

4283
02:53:17,590 --> 02:53:14,880
um but

4284
02:53:19,030 --> 02:53:17,600
if if these hearings continue and they

4285
02:53:20,150 --> 02:53:19,040
are they will

4286
02:53:22,309 --> 02:53:20,160
um

4287
02:53:25,030 --> 02:53:22,319
should we

4288
02:53:26,710 --> 02:53:25,040
get the citizens together and and have a

4289
02:53:30,070 --> 02:53:26,720
disclosure rally

4290
02:53:31,670 --> 02:53:30,080
um i would i would i would i would

4291
02:53:33,990 --> 02:53:31,680
i would promote it

4292
02:53:35,429 --> 02:53:34,000
i would speak at it i would i would help

4293
02:53:37,910 --> 02:53:35,439
organize it

4294
02:53:40,309 --> 02:53:37,920
um yeah i think that would be the next

4295
02:53:42,950 --> 02:53:40,319
step man let's get some uh

4296
02:53:46,309 --> 02:53:42,960
let's get some permits together whether

4297
02:53:48,070 --> 02:53:46,319
we do it at uh the lincoln memorial or

4298
02:53:49,670 --> 02:53:48,080
i don't know if we could do it

4299
02:53:51,830 --> 02:53:49,680
the steps of the capitol building

4300
02:53:52,950 --> 02:53:51,840
anymore i don't think that's a good idea

4301
02:53:54,630 --> 02:53:52,960
but

4302
02:53:56,469 --> 02:53:54,640
no probably not yeah probably the

4303
02:54:00,790 --> 02:53:56,479
lincoln memorial was

4304
02:54:03,429 --> 02:54:00,800
first thought yeah uh you know with the

4305
02:54:05,190 --> 02:54:03,439
pool there the mall yep yep yeah have

4306
02:54:07,750 --> 02:54:05,200
you been there

4307
02:54:09,190 --> 02:54:07,760
oh my gosh i used to live right outside

4308
02:54:09,990 --> 02:54:09,200
of my dad was

4309
02:54:13,510 --> 02:54:10,000
uh

4310
02:54:16,550 --> 02:54:13,520
in the service from 1958 to 2008

4311
02:54:17,429 --> 02:54:16,560
and stationed right outside of dc

4312
02:54:18,550 --> 02:54:17,439
and

4313
02:54:21,269 --> 02:54:18,560
my mom

4314
02:54:23,750 --> 02:54:21,279
protested the war from like i remember

4315
02:54:25,990 --> 02:54:23,760
the first round i went to i think it was

4316
02:54:28,870 --> 02:54:26,000
67 or 68

4317
02:54:31,510 --> 02:54:28,880
yeah i mean you know that year and then

4318
02:54:32,389 --> 02:54:31,520
all the way in to the 70s i mean it was

4319
02:54:34,790 --> 02:54:32,399
like

4320
02:54:36,389 --> 02:54:34,800
non-stop almost every weekend or at

4321
02:54:38,230 --> 02:54:36,399
least twice

4322
02:54:40,070 --> 02:54:38,240
you know a month she just

4323
02:54:43,269 --> 02:54:40,080
she hated the fact that we were fighting

4324
02:54:45,110 --> 02:54:43,279
in vietnam and we knew people that died

4325
02:54:47,830 --> 02:54:45,120
you know in that

4326
02:54:50,309 --> 02:54:47,840
conflict so

4327
02:54:53,510 --> 02:54:50,319
my dad was there for a bit too so it's

4328
02:54:55,110 --> 02:54:53,520
such a powerful it's such a powerful

4329
02:54:56,950 --> 02:54:55,120
place and

4330
02:54:58,070 --> 02:54:56,960
i i don't

4331
02:54:59,030 --> 02:54:58,080
uh

4332
02:55:15,269 --> 02:54:59,040
i

4333
02:55:17,110 --> 02:55:15,279
when you go

4334
02:55:18,630 --> 02:55:17,120
uh you're going to do two things when

4335
02:55:19,910 --> 02:55:18,640
you go to the lincoln memorial you're

4336
02:55:21,990 --> 02:55:19,920
going to go up to the steps you're going

4337
02:55:24,070 --> 02:55:22,000
to go all the way in and check out

4338
02:55:25,750 --> 02:55:24,080
lincoln sitting in the chair and then

4339
02:55:28,630 --> 02:55:25,760
you can read the stuff on the walls

4340
02:55:30,710 --> 02:55:28,640
right that that it's pretty crazy but

4341
02:55:33,349 --> 02:55:30,720
then you turn around

4342
02:55:35,510 --> 02:55:33,359
and you look at the mirror pool

4343
02:55:37,670 --> 02:55:35,520
and you look at the two sidewalks that

4344
02:55:40,389 --> 02:55:37,680
go down the sides and then down at the

4345
02:55:41,510 --> 02:55:40,399
end is the washington memorial right at

4346
02:55:44,230 --> 02:55:41,520
the end

4347
02:55:46,469 --> 02:55:44,240
and you just think about all of the

4348
02:55:49,269 --> 02:55:46,479
historical moments

4349
02:55:52,389 --> 02:55:49,279
in in this country's history that took

4350
02:55:55,269 --> 02:55:52,399
place right there and you cannot help

4351
02:55:58,309 --> 02:55:55,279
but just stop on those steps

4352
02:56:01,750 --> 02:55:58,319
and look out and think about that it's

4353
02:56:04,950 --> 02:56:01,760
it's a powerful powerful place

4354
02:56:07,750 --> 02:56:04,960
and and i i wish uh everybody could get

4355
02:56:10,389 --> 02:56:07,760
the chance to go and just stand on the

4356
02:56:11,510 --> 02:56:10,399
steps of the lincoln memorial and face

4357
02:56:13,670 --> 02:56:11,520
the park

4358
02:56:14,550 --> 02:56:13,680
and and look out and just think about

4359
02:56:17,670 --> 02:56:14,560
that

4360
02:56:19,990 --> 02:56:17,680
right oh man it's just crazy so yeah

4361
02:56:21,670 --> 02:56:20,000
should we do it uh i think that we

4362
02:56:23,750 --> 02:56:21,680
should i don't think there's any

4363
02:56:26,630 --> 02:56:23,760
questions about that and

4364
02:56:29,750 --> 02:56:26,640
um i've spoken about this for years mike

4365
02:56:31,349 --> 02:56:29,760
and if the opportunity presents itself

4366
02:56:32,870 --> 02:56:31,359
i'll i'll throw my

4367
02:56:34,950 --> 02:56:32,880
uh

4368
02:56:37,349 --> 02:56:34,960
complete weight behind it of which i

4369
02:56:38,309 --> 02:56:37,359
have a lot

4370
02:56:42,150 --> 02:56:38,319
so

4371
02:56:43,990 --> 02:56:42,160
great phone call

4372
02:56:45,750 --> 02:56:44,000
and what a great show tonight and what a

4373
02:56:47,830 --> 02:56:45,760
great show uh

4374
02:56:48,710 --> 02:56:47,840
yeah absolutely it's time to fade the

4375
02:56:50,389 --> 02:56:48,720
black

4376
02:56:52,230 --> 02:56:50,399
and um

4377
02:56:54,469 --> 02:56:52,240
what a what a great show

4378
02:56:56,790 --> 02:56:54,479
and the thing is um

4379
02:56:58,309 --> 02:56:56,800
i like to be inspired and i like to

4380
02:57:00,469 --> 02:56:58,319
learn things

4381
02:57:02,870 --> 02:57:00,479
and it's all about knowledge and tonight

4382
02:57:05,990 --> 02:57:02,880
with ross and i know that all of you uh

4383
02:57:09,030 --> 02:57:06,000
went along with the with me for the ride

4384
02:57:10,870 --> 02:57:09,040
is that ross is inspiring

4385
02:57:14,950 --> 02:57:10,880
he's inspiring

4386
02:57:17,830 --> 02:57:14,960
and if if in the world of journalism and

4387
02:57:19,990 --> 02:57:17,840
trust me when i say

4388
02:57:21,269 --> 02:57:20,000
navigating ufos in the world of

4389
02:57:23,510 --> 02:57:21,279
journalism

4390
02:57:27,269 --> 02:57:23,520
that's the big no-no

4391
02:57:28,389 --> 02:57:27,279
it is there's uh only been a couple a

4392
02:57:31,429 --> 02:57:28,399
couple

4393
02:57:34,389 --> 02:57:31,439
uh over the last few decades

4394
02:57:38,710 --> 02:57:34,399
that have chosen to do this larry king

4395
02:57:40,630 --> 02:57:38,720
certainly is one um george knapp uh is

4396
02:57:41,830 --> 02:57:40,640
another art bell

4397
02:57:43,990 --> 02:57:41,840
um

4398
02:57:47,349 --> 02:57:44,000
and the uh

4399
02:57:49,510 --> 02:57:47,359
the ability to succeed in

4400
02:57:50,389 --> 02:57:49,520
not only a career but getting people to

4401
02:57:52,309 --> 02:57:50,399
listen

4402
02:57:55,190 --> 02:57:52,319
and to raise the awareness of these

4403
02:57:57,349 --> 02:57:55,200
issues that's tough and it's rare it's

4404
02:58:01,510 --> 02:57:57,359
rare it is not the norm

4405
02:58:05,030 --> 02:58:01,520
and ross culthart has chosen to do this

4406
02:58:06,630 --> 02:58:05,040
in a world of broadcast that is vicious

4407
02:58:08,790 --> 02:58:06,640
with this subject

4408
02:58:11,590 --> 02:58:08,800
and there you go so i applaud he's just

4409
02:58:13,349 --> 02:58:11,600
inspiring to me absolutely inspiring

4410
02:58:14,870 --> 02:58:13,359
with that

4411
02:58:18,150 --> 02:58:14,880
i want to thank ross for coming on

4412
02:58:20,309 --> 02:58:18,160
tonight need to know dot today is the

4413
02:58:22,630 --> 02:58:20,319
website uh they're gonna be putting

4414
02:58:25,269 --> 02:58:22,640
together uh the new podcast tomorrow him

4415
02:58:27,590 --> 02:58:25,279
and bryce abel and i guess uh he said

4416
02:58:29,510 --> 02:58:27,600
release it by thursday or friday

4417
02:58:31,349 --> 02:58:29,520
uh there you go ross i want to thank you

4418
02:58:33,030 --> 02:58:31,359
for coming on tonight tomorrow night

4419
02:58:34,870 --> 02:58:33,040
billy carson's going to be

4420
02:58:38,230 --> 02:58:34,880
and we're going to be talking about the

4421
02:58:41,030 --> 02:58:38,240
black knight satellite um something that

4422
02:58:45,510 --> 02:58:43,349
should be talked about today with

4423
02:58:47,510 --> 02:58:45,520
everything else that is going on but

4424
02:58:48,950 --> 02:58:47,520
it's been a subject in the ufo community

4425
02:58:51,590 --> 02:58:48,960
for a number of years the black knight

4426
02:58:54,550 --> 02:58:51,600
satellite is not something new

4427
02:58:55,670 --> 02:58:54,560
his film uh releases worldwide this

4428
02:58:57,269 --> 02:58:55,680
sunday

4429
02:58:58,950 --> 02:58:57,279
and so tomorrow night we're going to be

4430
02:59:00,870 --> 02:58:58,960
talking about the black knight satellite

4431
02:59:03,349 --> 02:59:00,880
we're going to talk about things that

4432
02:59:05,110 --> 02:59:03,359
you may not have known about the black

4433
02:59:06,790 --> 02:59:05,120
knight satellite before so that goes on

4434
02:59:08,710 --> 02:59:06,800
tomorrow night with billy carson

4435
02:59:10,469 --> 02:59:08,720
wednesday nights

4436
02:59:12,790 --> 02:59:10,479
john burroughs

4437
02:59:14,309 --> 02:59:12,800
what a great week here on fade to black

4438
02:59:17,190 --> 02:59:14,319
thursday night of course is another

4439
02:59:17,990 --> 02:59:17,200
fader night with open lines all night

4440
02:59:19,910 --> 02:59:18,000
long

4441
02:59:22,150 --> 02:59:19,920
fade to black is produced by hill j palm

4442
02:59:24,870 --> 02:59:22,160
rene dennis and kevin announcers are

4443
02:59:27,429 --> 02:59:24,880
steve harter gene vettel mark d kovar

4444
02:59:30,670 --> 02:59:27,439
webmaster is drew the geek music doug

4445
02:59:32,950 --> 02:59:30,680
aldrich intro spaceboy

4446
02:59:34,870 --> 02:59:32,960
spaceboymusic.com fate to black is

4447
02:59:36,710 --> 02:59:34,880
produced by kjcr for the game changer

4448
02:59:38,950 --> 02:59:36,720
network and this broadcast zone a

4449
02:59:41,110 --> 02:59:38,960
copyrighted 2022 by fade to black and

4450
02:59:43,269 --> 02:59:41,120
the game changer network inc it cannot

4451
02:59:44,790 --> 02:59:43,279
be used or copyrighted anywhere in the

4452
02:59:46,790 --> 02:59:44,800
known universe without written

4453
02:59:48,469 --> 02:59:46,800
permission from fade to black or the

4454
02:59:50,309 --> 02:59:48,479
game changer network i'm yours jimmy

4455
02:59:51,830 --> 02:59:50,319
church i'll see everybody tomorrow night

4456
02:59:55,349 --> 02:59:51,840
with billy carson

4457
02:59:59,290 --> 02:59:55,359
until then i want everybody to be safe

4458
03:00:03,180 --> 02:59:59,300
it's time to fade to black

4459
03:00:04,790 --> 03:00:03,190
[Music]

4460
03:00:15,400 --> 03:00:04,800
[Applause]